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ShamelessEU wrote:
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If you go to EQ it's what they cater to and it ruins the game on every server with how it's done.
How does a person minding his own business and leveling up in peace ruin a game? I understand that people multiboxing on 40 accounts will have an impact considering world pvp, ganking and farming. But dual boxing for the sake of leveling and soloing should not have an effect on how other people play the game.
I think the issue was that in Vanilla far more so than subsequent expansions you could engineer builds that were meant to destroy another character within the space of a single global cooldown.

This is bad enough when you get ToEP/PoM/Pyro'd for 3.7k when you only have 2.9k hp once, but that's a niche-ish case due to requiring to raid to get ToEP so it's not likely on 2 characters. The PoM/Pyro bit though is possible by any Mage, and you don't need good gear for 2x of these to be an instant kill no matter the opponent. Any more than 2 is overkill but imagine being able to press 2 buttons and take out 2 characters at once because you have 4 accounts all multiboxed.

It's not just Mages that can do this either, start stacking enhancement Shaman and you are more likely that a Windfury proc will occur, or stack Night Elf Hunters for shadowmelded Aimed Shots. If people are minding their own business then it's not a problem, but lots of people would go out of their way to grief.

I'm actually not averse to multiboxing, I plan on doing it and consider it a fact of life, but I'm also going to play on a PvE server where I can't get ganked, so your mileage may vary.

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I don't agree with the belief that multiboxing wasn't feasible in 2005... the software existed and the graphics/processing power too.
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ShamelessEU wrote:
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GrumpyOldDwarf wrote:
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If you go to EQ it's what they cater to and it ruins the game on every server with how it's done.
How does a person minding his own business and leveling up in peace ruin a game? I understand that people multiboxing on 40 accounts will have an impact considering world pvp, ganking and farming. But dual boxing for the sake of leveling and soloing should not have an effect on how other people play the game.
Go to to Kharanos right now and do the quest where you have to get Gears off the Troll Scavengers. That mob is limited and if the newbie area is busy and you can't tag the mob, you got a wait to complete that quest that blocks your progress to the next area.

Now imagine the whole game like that with a single person controlling a Mage burn team that just runs through mobs before you can tag anything to just get some experience. That's just a group.

Imagine it a Raid.

I'm not saying all boxers are bad but this is what you get when you start allowing it. You also get a crazy economy as they farm dungeons over and over for items that they sell and control the AH market, ruining the economy.

Boxing is not a good system to allow in an MMO.

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LIDC is some good software, they got their start giving away their software for free on Feenix. Software I used to great effect.

ISBoxer is the only other multiboxing software I know off the top of my head.

I doubt I will multibox in classic, as it costs a lot of money, where is on pservers it's free to make accounts in most cases. I imagine we will see a fare number of multiboxers in classic. Though I suspect we will have more on Horde side. As 5 shamans while not as powerful as it was in BC is still quite good due to being able to cover so many buffs. 5 Paladins can be ok, but I don't think it's as good

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GrumpyOldDwarf wrote:
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ShamelessEU wrote:
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GrumpyOldDwarf wrote:
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If you go to EQ it's what they cater to and it ruins the game on every server with how it's done.
How does a person minding his own business and leveling up in peace ruin a game? I understand that people multiboxing on 40 accounts will have an impact considering world pvp, ganking and farming. But dual boxing for the sake of leveling and soloing should not have an effect on how other people play the game.
Now imagine the whole game like that with a single person controlling a Mage burn team that just runs through mobs before you can tag anything to just get some experience. That's just a group.

Imagine it a Raid.

I'm not saying all boxers are bad but this is what you get when you start allowing it. You also get a crazy economy as they farm dungeons over and over for items that they sell and control the AH market, ruining the economy.

Boxing is not a good system to allow in an MMO.
I totally agree that abusing any system is horrible. Yet dual boxing 2 characters for the fun of it should not impact either the market or the leveling experience of others. I have done it twice in retail without any problems or people getting angry at me. I simply minded my own business and leveled them up for the challenge that is dual boxing, not for gain or anything… However in Classic it would probably be both for challenge and gain, considering I would have 2 60s to help myself on.

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teebling wrote:
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Back in vanilla was multiboxing a thing? Like, did many people do it? What kind of software were people using and what stance did Blizzard have on this contentious topic?

I was thinking about who the first person to 60 on all classes in Classic would be and this popped into my mind for surely it will be a multiboxer who achieves this first.

Probably the first to 60 on many servers will likewise be this due to the speed at which xp rich group content can be completed and begun with one player controlling.

I’m personally okay with people doing it in PvE and solo play but really against it for battlegrounds. The perfect team coordination and focus fire is just too OP and ruins a good game for me!
Some came from other games and were used to multiboxing, others learned on the way. I started 2boxing with Synergy

and dual computers in late Vanilla. Proper 5boxing on one computer in WOW and Rift since then with HKN(nice intro guide -- http://www.slashfocus.ru/hotkeynet) and IsBoxer.

Generally you loose time multiboxing, due to XP penalty and gathering quests, compared to solo play. The benefit for me is that I can do dungeons when it suits me and take a break in the middle if something comes up. Very fun to solve some encounters too.

Blizzard has nerfed follow in PVP, and everyone expect it to stay the same in Classic. It gains nothing for anyone when players feel abused in PVP by 5/10/20/40 boxers. I enjoyed 5boxing paladins in AV during WotLK, but my aim was the PVE aspect of it, not violating enemy players.

The reference site if anyone is interested, they also have some history of multiboxing there too - https://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/54-World-of-Warcraft Been my goto resource for many years.

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Some great info there, thanks @5bx!

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I did multiboxing in very very late vanilla, but it was just running 2 windows and alt tabbing between them very quickly, using follow macros and other such things. I mainly used it for boosting my own alts and farming (for example stealth runs!)
As time went on I got more and more accounts. I never did bgs because I didn't want to bother others with it, but I did 2box and 3box arena to farm gear for alts and, most importantly, to farm guild experience in Cata and MoP! You needed like 28 arena wins to hit the daily XP cap. My guild was at that point rather small, so as the leader I took it upon myself to farm everyone those convenient perks. So I did multibox arena until my eyes bled every single day until the guild hit max level. In the end I got pretty good at it so I could essentially boost my freshly dinged chars with my full pvp geared disc priest in 2v2 arena, until they had a decent arena set themselves. Obviously we're talking rather low rankings here. Don't think I ever got over 1500.
Didn't work against combos with a healer that never went OOM obviously, as I could not at all apply pressure only playing one char at a time.

Eventually I got hotkeynet and started doing arena with that, in WoD I think.
But it got too expensive with all those accounts.
I think I will do 2 accounts again in classic, but only for farming and such. Don't want to get that serious about it. It's just really nice to be able to boost your own chars, and you can 2man a lot of dungeons with 2 stealthers.

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5bx wrote:
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Blizzard has nerfed follow in PVP, and everyone expect it to stay the same in Classic. It gains nothing for anyone when players feel abused in PVP by 5/10/20/40 boxers. I enjoyed 5boxing paladins in AV during WotLK, but my aim was the PVE aspect of it, not violating enemy players.
This might change though - they've paid attention to tiny mechanical details like spell batching so far - perhaps this will receive the same treatment?

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Yeah the follow nerf in pvp made me fade out on multibox arena, as it became increasingly bothersome.
That nerf was a pretty late change though, makes you wonder if they want to keep it for classic or not.
I don't plan on using it either way, but tbh there being no /follow around might also help combat afkers (I remember there being plenty of them around back in vanilla AV at least..)
As long as I can use it for my solo dungeons runs I'll be fine though.

Generally they seem very sensitive to being faithful to the original way of the game, and are making adjustments with that in mind.
However, to be honest I don't see what merits of "original vanilla game play" that will be protected by keeping /follow in bgs, from Blizzard's point of view. I could imagine this being one of the changes they wouldn't undo.

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I don't like it, there's my simple opinion on the matter. Multi-box on private servers, I'll report any multi-boxers I see on retail, call me a party pooper but I don't like it.

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I don't like it, there's my simple opinion on the matter. Multi-box on private servers, I'll report any multi-boxers I see on retail, call me a party pooper but I don't like it.
But it is totally legal on retail? That is like saying I dont like people driving BMWs because Toyota is safer and it is what I drive, so I will report anyone driving BMWs

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ShamelessEU wrote:
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Selexin wrote:
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I don't like it, there's my simple opinion on the matter. Multi-box on private servers, I'll report any multi-boxers I see on retail, call me a party pooper but I don't like it.
But it is totally legal on retail? That is like saying I dont like people driving BMWs because Toyota is safer and it is what I drive, so I will report anyone driving BMWs
As long as you aren't using any software to duplicate key presses to multiple running versions of the game it is legal. You have to manually press every ability for each character. So you can follow then alt+tab or use different computer to press all abilities.

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multiboxing is obviously bad for the game and is something only shitters do but blizz makes 5 times the fuking money who do u think they listen to?
ill have 2 accs but i dont multibox cuz im not bad

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In the whole time in Vanilla i saw 2 Multiboxers. One was a Shaman with 3 other on follow in a bg and the other was a Hunter with another one that did the same actions.

I am really afraid that people will abuse it now because everyone can do it and it only cost one more sub (that you can buy with retail gold). I really wish blizz would not allow them in Classic

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I've never had an encounter with a multiboxer in vanilla wow in my 200 /played days on my warlock (that I know of). Never gave it a thought, however now that I hear streamers want to use it and beat the competition when leveling to 60 it seems like an unfair advantage (if it would be a free feature in "wow classic" then I would see it differently, but then again it wouldn't be "Classic" in my opinion).
I rather see blizzard move the "follow" option all together to counter multiboxing if need be.

Imagine a server/world first to 60, streaming with multi boxing. :/

Being able to control 5 characters in a coordinated fasion in pvp also gives a crazy advantage. Ganking in world pvp for instance, there will always be someone to try and exploit.

The only move traditional games will have to counter this if blizzard wont take action is to start multiboxing your self (even I considered it, just to be able to compete). This will ruin the feeling I'm looking for in classic wow and would probably mean I would abandon the game.

Who knows, maybe times have changed and something cool and fun will come out of this (if it is going to be common thing). I hope I will never meet a multiboxer and get affected by it, but just play the game as it was.

HF and stay true to Classic!

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Being able to control 5 characters in a coordinated fasion in pvp also gives a crazy advantage. Ganking in world pvp for instance, there will always be someone to try and exploit.

The only move traditional games will have to counter this if blizzard wont take action is to start multiboxing your self (even I considered it, just to be able to compete). This will ruin the feeling I'm looking for in classic wow and would probably mean I would abandon the game.
This is also being done on retail, its not really an issue unless the boxer is griefing players or somehow is making even more gold pr hour farming with 5 toons (highly unlikely that it would increase gph significantly though)..

And if someone enjoys a certain aspect of the game is dettering you from playing it, then in generel you should probably stay away from MMOs.. :wink:

But it seems Blizzard will only allow 1 classic account pr battle.net account, regardless of active subbed wow accounts on the given battle.net.. I have gotten this info directly from a gamemaster when consulting them yesterday.

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Ah man, I can't find the video but I watched a video of a multiboxer as 5 or 6 warlocks and he we just insta dotting everything and running!
Not easy to survive that if you get targeted lol

I don't think they should be allowed to do it even if they pay for it, i mean its like athletes taking PEDs to get a competitive edge (exaggerating).
It wont be fair to the people with one character in the world trying to play the game.

I mean watching the video and trying to kill them is like taking down a boss lol
You shouldn't have to group with 7 people to take down essentially one person but 7 characters.

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I mean watching the video and trying to kill them is like taking down a boss lol
You shouldn't have to group with 7 people to take down essentially one person but 7 characters.
I agree that in pvp multiboxing is not a 100% fair, and I personally would never multibox in pvp as having 1 of your boxing characters dying and having to walk back on it is a pain in the butt..

I have only boxed for lvling purposes, and will probably dabble again with boxing in Classic for the same reasons

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I'm in the stress test right now testing out multiboxing. I'm basically just running my mage and my priest as a leveling tag team. It's going pretty well but there's a lot to keep track of when you're not just running 1 class. Also I'm skipping most collection quests as those take forever to complete, especially right now when the areas are flooded by people..

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I'm in the stress test right now testing out multiboxing. I'm basically just running my mage and my priest as a leveling tag team. It's going pretty well but there's a lot to keep track of when you're not just running 1 class. Also I'm skipping most collection quests as those take forever to complete, especially right now when the areas are flooded by people..
Do you have different battle.net accounts? Or will it allow you to drop down and choose different beta accounts on the same battle.net account?? Blizzard will not give me a clear answer yet…

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Do you have different battle.net accounts? Or will it allow you to drop down and choose different beta accounts on the same battle.net account?? Blizzard will not give me a clear answer yet…
I just use 1 battle.net account and select a different WoW account in the dropdown.

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Artmos wrote:
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Do you have different battle.net accounts? Or will it allow you to drop down and choose different beta accounts on the same battle.net account?? Blizzard will not give me a clear answer yet…
I just use 1 battle.net account and select a different WoW account in the dropdown.
Nice, means I should stay subbed on more than 1 account

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you'd still need to be paying for 5 different accounts, which is just whack. like. im not sure on how much sub costs now but it used to be about $18 a month in NZ, with the exchange rate and all, so thats basically 20 bucks. x5 so $100 a month just to multibox on wow? thats way too much. unjustifiable to me. i guess maybe someone rich might be able to afford that, good job and no bills to pay and what not.
multiboxers are gross though, something about them just triggers me, seeing them all stacked in a line like that. makes me want to kill them immediately in pvp. same kind of feeling with seeing multiple mobs all too close together in one place. just itching to aoe the crap out of them

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d3aths wrote:
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you'd still need to be paying for 5 different accounts, which is just whack.
Well of course, if you play 5 accounts you pay for 5 accounts

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