9 days from classic, I'm actually getting concerned about how seriously are some people taking the game.

Y'know, some of us just wanna have some fun playing a comfy, cool class/spec. Rolling the most meta, top tier class its a viable way to play the game, but, why so much hate to those who just want to play?

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Anyway, I'm Zolid and I'm an Orc, Enh Shaman, I enjoy dungeons, raiding and that pve kinda stuff.

This is a comfy thread about your plans in classic, having a non-optimal spec (what some prepotents call ''memespecs''), and enjoying your adventure after all.

Spec in the early game isn't all that important anyway since you have so few talent points. If it's VC or something else low level, just lie about your spec.

I figure while you're leveling, anything goes. On enhancement I might take anticipation and toughness for example. Maybe even shield spec if it isn't terrible.

Kaiju wrote: ↑

7 years ago

Spec in the early game isn't all that important anyway since you have so few talent points. If it's VC or something else low level, just lie about your spec.

Good point. I was recently reading that in vanilla, when you inspect someone, you can't see their talents. In other words, no one but you knows your talent choices. I really can't remember...is this true?

Orca wrote: ↑

7 years ago

Good point. I was recently reading that in vanilla, when you inspect someone, you can't see their talents. In other words, no one but you knows your talent choices. I really can't remember...is this true?

This is correct! You could not see other people's talents in Vanilla and this is still true for Classic.


I appreciate the mindset you have OP, even though I'm playing an "optimal" spec, I have no issues with grouping and raiding with those that want to play a wide variety of specs!

https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc ... 0310231401

this is my druid wpvp healing/dmg build ;p

but i keep going back and forth on the last 5 talent points between Improved StarFire and Improved Regrowth.
the stun proc is amazing, but 50%+ crit regrowth coupled with Nature's Grace and 5/5 Improved Wrath is also quite good.

Zolid wrote: ↑

7 years ago

9 days from classic, I'm actually getting concerned about how seriously are some people taking the game.

Y'know, some of us just wanna have some fun playing a comfy, cool class/spec. Rolling the most meta, top tier class its a viable way to play the game, but, why so much hate to those who just want to play?

I agree with you for sure. But to them it's just another way to play. To those people, the most viable / most meta way to play is their enjoyable way. I see this stuff in old school runescape all the time, where if any of your items aren't the absolute best in slot then you're a noob. But the issue with that mindset is sometimes they almost like become confused of why someone like you and I wouldn't want to play the most viable way which sort of turns into frustration for some reason (hence the hate). It seems like their intensity of play translates into intensity of conversation, leading to those jaded comments trashing casuals. Some people are just less polite when it comes to seeing other people's viewpoints on how they'd best prefer to play a game. I guess it's fortunate most people are pretty relaxed.

In general, the real way of dealing with this is just to get into a big social guild full of people you like and play the game with people who aren't going to sit around and nitpick the way you play.

You guys should really stick it to the man and make a full guild of meme specs! Then complete all the raids as 100% meme to show those darn min/maxers how silly they are!

Great thread man. I'll be doing a slow solo crawl through the world that sticks in my memories and enjoying it once again. Footloose and fancy free. Never did the guild thing don't intend to this time either.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

7 years ago

You guys should really stick it to the man and make a full guild of meme specs! Then complete all the raids as 100% meme to show those darn min/maxers how silly they are!

Ha, I've thought about it, but tbh I'm just more comfortable with a guild of people who enjoy the people rather than just not allowing cool people playing mainstream specs. If the funny dude in Discord plays moonkin, cool. If he plays Combat Swords Rogue, fine.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

7 years ago

You guys should really stick it to the man and make a full guild of meme specs! Then complete all the raids as 100% meme to show those darn min/maxers how silly they are!

The world isn't ready for an all-paladin raid.

All prot paladins tanking everything and self-healing. If half the tanks die, you still have 20 tanks left! That's like 15 more than a normal raid. Think of the numbers man.

The perfect raid composition:

Kolvacs wrote: ↑

7 years ago

The perfect raid composition:

Kolvacs wrote: ↑

7 years ago

The perfect raid composition:

Perfection!

zutch wrote: ↑

7 years ago

https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc ... 0310231401

this is my druid wpvp healing/dmg build ;p

but i keep going back and forth on the last 5 talent points between Improved StarFire and Improved Regrowth.
the stun proc is amazing, but 50%+ crit regrowth coupled with Nature's Grace and 5/5 Improved Wrath is also quite good.

Hay! I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter. This is very important for PvP
of any kind, both WPvP and Bgs/duels

Erik wrote: ↑

7 years ago

I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter

He hasn't got feral charge or moonkin form, it's really not required. Natural shapeshifter is more suited for feral spec or 3 tree hybrid spec, as you will be shifting in and out of bear/cat a lot. The spec he provided you spend all your time in human form (except when you stealth around, but leaving cat form costs no mana).

Selexin wrote: ↑

7 years ago

Erik wrote: ↑

7 years ago

I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter

He hasn't got feral charge or moonkin form, it's really not required. Natural shapeshifter is more suited for feral spec or 3 tree hybrid spec, as you will be shifting in and out of bear/cat a lot. The spec he provided you spend all your time in human form (except when you stealth around, but leaving cat form costs no mana).

I didn't see that he left out Feral charge either. It's crucial in PvP as Balance/resto hybrid. Also switching between Bear and human form is crucial for survival (In my opinion). Feral Charge is not only good vs casters it's good vs Melees too. Charge and stun combo for example is really powerfull both vs melee and caster.

In personal experience and opinion obviously, I doubt there is any really good Balance/Resto hybrid PvPers that leave charge out and take imp thorns over natural shapeshifter. You might get away with it sometimes with Engineering with like Rocket helm and stuff like that but I feel like Feral Charge is at least core in most PvP situations

Edit: I would go something like this https://classicdb.ch/?talent#0zjxhMoZVMhoZVecoco few points can be switched around but this is the basic idea

Erik wrote: ↑

7 years ago

I doubt there is any really good Balance/Resto hybrid PvPers that leave charge out and take imp thorns over natural shapeshifter.

I do agree that NS is better than imp thorns in every PvP circumstance, my case was more for builds that leave it out.

I have messed around with a non feral charge build on RetroWoW and it felt squishy, but it was fun. DoTs/HoTs everywhere, entangle all the melee, and run away!

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

7 years ago

You guys should really stick it to the man and make a full guild of meme specs! Then complete all the raids as 100% meme to show those darn min/maxers how silly they are!

Hey man, aren't you the one that said rolling what you want is fine, but maybe leave that discussion out of the serious threads?

I kind of feel like this is a pot meeting kettle moment.

Jon Bloodspray wrote: ↑

7 years ago

Hey man, aren't you the one that said rolling what you want is fine, but maybe leave that discussion out of the serious threads?

I kind of feel like this is a pot meeting kettle moment.

Yes! Not only should they roll what they want, they should make a full raid team of memes only!!!

@Jon Bloodspray Don't worry dude, for some reason @Stfuppercut has a hardon for hating on sub-optimal specs lol.

Kolvacs wrote: ↑

7 years ago

for some reason @Stfuppercut has a hardon for hating on sub-optimal specs lol.

Everyone has their kink bro....

Erik wrote: ↑

7 years ago

Selexin wrote: ↑

7 years ago

Erik wrote: ↑

7 years ago

I would strongly suggest removing 3/3 Improved Thorn for 3/3 Natural Shapeshifter

He hasn't got feral charge or moonkin form, it's really not required. Natural shapeshifter is more suited for feral spec or 3 tree hybrid spec, as you will be shifting in and out of bear/cat a lot. The spec he provided you spend all your time in human form (except when you stealth around, but leaving cat form costs no mana).

I didn't see that he left out Feral charge either. It's crucial in PvP as Balance/resto hybrid. Also switching between Bear and human form is crucial for survival (In my opinion). Feral Charge is not only good vs casters it's good vs Melees too. Charge and stun combo for example is really powerfull both vs melee and caster.

In personal experience and opinion obviously, I doubt there is any really good Balance/Resto hybrid PvPers that leave charge out and take imp thorns over natural shapeshifter. You might get away with it sometimes with Engineering with like Rocket helm and stuff like that but I feel like Feral Charge is at least core in most PvP situations

Edit: I would go something like this https://classicdb.ch/?talent#0zjxhMoZVMhoZVecoco few points can be switched around but this is the basic idea

fear not, i have adjusted my build, that interrupt is better than i remembered it, altho now i have to sacrifice NS

zutch wrote: ↑

7 years ago

fear not, i have adjusted my build, that interrupt is better than i remembered it, altho now i have to sacrifice NS

Nice dude, maybe also consider going thick hide or feral instinct for those 3 points you put into feral agression. I don't see you using demoralizing roar or ferocious bite with this build much. Thick hide for survivability, feral instinct to help you get the jump on your opponents - choose your poison.

There are some great hybrid Druid PvPers, I'm certainly not one of them. Stormx did a lot of hybrid druid pvp videos on private servers and I believe he was quite skilled. I haven't watched much of his stuff, but seen it referenced a lot. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo4Fn7 ... ekA/videos

Anyone else feeling the irony that a safespace thread for sub-optimal specs has turned into advice on how to fix a sub-sub-optimal spec?