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German and French servers (at least) were mandatory.
No. Not in my eyes.
There will be 100% guilds where only native speakers will be invited.
When you're in a guild, you usually just do things with people in your guild.

Furthermore, everyone will be able to write the following things.

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And then you have on the server a channel where all Germans can join.
I don't know if there is a restriction of the members in the channels in Retail WoW, but we just don't assume it now.

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In addition, we can assume in the long run that the servers are really full. I can imagine that many of the people who are crying now are the people who quit the fastest.
Yeah that's why I decided to go EU servers this time before blizzard announced their plans: the fear of being 'left behind' on a german server.

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aeh wrote:
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Zurgan wrote:
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German and French servers (at least) were mandatory.
No. Not in my eyes.
There will be 100% guilds where only native speakers will be invited.
When you're in a guild, you usually just do things with people in your guild.

Furthermore, everyone will be able to write the following things.

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LF1M <Instance> <Role>
LF <any Profession> <any Receipt>
LF ONLY <ANY LANGUAGE> SPEAKING GUILD
Btw. there is also the possible to create channels for example:

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/join German
And then you have on the server a channel where all Germans can join.
I don't know if there is a restriction of the members in the channels in Retail WoW, but we just don't assume it now.
Basically you just detailed what I said about communities being formed...

By the way, being in a guild doesn't (and shouldn't) prevent you from doing dungeons, Bgs and more in PU, because it's a great way to meet new people. And to have to communicate in English in Classic will piss me off. Just like a ton of people given the posts and petitions.

German official post at 5 200 replies : https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wow/t ... alms/34048

English official post at 2 800 replies :
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t ... ture/56694

They just cannot stick with their idea of English servers for all.

EU servers were made for UK and people wanting to play on it. (Also for people forced to play on EU because they are not enough to have located servers).

On the other hand, Germans, French, Spanish are entitled to have located servers given the amount of players speaking these langages.
They have opened located servers in Vanilla (or BC for Spain I think), why the hell can't they do that for Classic. It's not like they will need 30 servers per region for Classic...

tl:dr You're happy with EU servers, great, go play on it. The majority isn't pleased though.

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One of the few benefits of playing from the Oceanic region is that pretty much everyone is from Australia or New Zealand, so we never have to worry about this kind of thing.

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(...) but when they chat in general in another language then english, it pushes my buttons.
Lets hope your buttons are rock-solid... because i think they will be pushed a lot! ;)

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in private servers which are made up of everyone internationally, usually the playerbase themselves are quite good at enforcing the english-only in global chat rules. albeit sometimes harshly, and all it takes is a GM to come on and remind people its english or they would face consequences.

as a sidenote im wondering if its going to be a thing on classic realms that there'll be player-made global channels like pservs have had all this time. because if it does there would easily be made global_en, global_es, etc etc for the different languages. therefore you wouldn't have much of a problem of seeing shit you dont understand in the chat because people would keep to their own channels

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I'm just curious - is this a standard thing with European Servers for gamers?

It was a huge mess when my original vanilla server became the unofficial home to a lot of South American players, but likely because this was just not something anyone expected to have happen. There wasn't even hate and it was still a disaster.

If you're wondering though, I logged onto retail recently to check and that server is still dead and barren (listed as "New Players" when I looked), having never recovered from that incident. Not joking when I said it was a disaster.

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Zurgan wrote:
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aeh wrote:
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Zurgan wrote:
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German and French servers (at least) were mandatory.
No. Not in my eyes.
There will be 100% guilds where only native speakers will be invited.
When you're in a guild, you usually just do things with people in your guild.

Furthermore, everyone will be able to write the following things.

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LF1M <Instance> <Role>
LF <any Profession> <any Receipt>
LF ONLY <ANY LANGUAGE> SPEAKING GUILD
Btw. there is also the possible to create channels for example:

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/join German
And then you have on the server a channel where all Germans can join.
I don't know if there is a restriction of the members in the channels in Retail WoW, but we just don't assume it now.
The majority isn't pleased though.
The majority? Just bullshit srsly.

5200 answers WOW! How many of them are from the same people? How many of them are for or against it? Sry, but 5200 answers are just a lot of shit you can't take seriously.

I followed and read the thread myself in the first 2 hours and there were some people against it but there were also people for it. Therefore your statement is simply not to be taken seriously. Because you just say there are 5200 answers, but you don't even begin to mention numbers that somehow prove something statistically here.

And what are 5200 answers with a player base of over 1 million players? Yes exactly, the majority. LOL

And if you want to play the TL;DR game with me.

TL;DR
Then just don't play.

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aeh wrote:
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Zurgan wrote:
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aeh wrote:
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Zurgan wrote:
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German and French servers (at least) were mandatory.
No. Not in my eyes.
There will be 100% guilds where only native speakers will be invited.
When you're in a guild, you usually just do things with people in your guild.

Furthermore, everyone will be able to write the following things.

Code: Select all

LF1M <Instance> <Role>
LF <any Profession> <any Receipt>
LF ONLY <ANY LANGUAGE> SPEAKING GUILD
Btw. there is also the possible to create channels for example:

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/join German
And then you have on the server a channel where all Germans can join.
I don't know if there is a restriction of the members in the channels in Retail WoW, but we just don't assume it now.
The majority isn't pleased though.
The majority? Just bullshit srsly.

5200 answers WOW! How many of them are from the same people? How many of them are for or against it? Sry, but 5200 answers are just a lot of shit you can't take seriously.

I followed and read the thread myself in the first 2 hours and there were some people against it but there were also people for it. Therefore your statement is simply not to be taken seriously. Because you just say there are 5200 answers, but you don't even begin to mention numbers that somehow prove something statistically here.

And what are 5200 answers with a player base of over 1 million players? Yes exactly, the majority. LOL

And if you want to play the TL;DR game with me.

TL;DR
Then just don't play.
You're quite funny you know.

I dealt with the fact that you're happy to play on EU servers because they always existed and it's suits you, great. Be my guest and go.

I'm unhappy, just like a shitload of people (way to focalize on one example and ignore the petitions btw), to be forced to play on EU servers when French servers always existed.
Deal with it.

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Do not forget that everything is still subject to change. And that there is no situation where would be everyone happy.

Blizzard (as all other big corps) definitely know why he has decided like this. I hope they will announce realm names sooner rather than later so everybody can decide, where to find their "home".

I for one am glad for international servers as its more interesting than those little communities around national servers. And if I get stuck on "national - international server" well, then it's maybe time to learn new language. :biggrin:

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It's insane how much I despise my fellow germans as gamers. All they do is lament how shitty everything is, you hardly ever read something that is constructive. Reading the comments below that blue post makes that painfully clear. Of course outrage is always louder than consent, but it still pisses me off.
The only good thing is: if the crybabies don't want to play on English language servers, they wont be bothering anyone.

I think what's going to happen is what happens on pservers. The majority of players that do want to play but are insecure about their English will huddle together in their little corner of the server and just be there.

On Nostalrius there was a German Horde guild called <Endzeit>, "the end times", and they - from my perspective - behaved similarly. They were not part of the community, they were like a little enclave, shut off from the rest of the server. I don't think I ever even saw any of them in Pickup Groups or Dungeon runs. It was a pity, because I think everyone can contribute to a community, regardless of language proficiency.

We had Danes, Swedes, Finns, Germans, French, Dutch & Poles in our guild (these are only the ones I remember) & people on the server, of course, came from all over the world. Language was never an issue - at least not that I remember - it's a matter of trying to and wanting to communicate.

Imagine learning something sensible, like improving your English, while you're playing a game, wouldn't that be terrible.

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I hate this decision. It completely ruins the classic immersion for me. I played on a german Server with german as Main language.

Hopefully there will be a EU Server with a majority that speaks german. Otherwise it will have a private Server mentality for me and thats something i'm not looking for.

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I hate this decision. It completely ruins the classic immersion for me. I played on a german Server with german as Main language.

Hopefully there will be a EU Server with a majority that speaks german. Otherwise it will have a private Server mentality for me and thats something i'm not looking for.
You are posting on an international forum with English as the language of choice. There are dozens of german forums.

Can you explain this choice to me?

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I dont mind playing with people from other parts of the world, but when /1 General chat is spammed with any language other then english I get pissed. That includes my native language. As a Swede I would never choose a Swedish server if they ever existed. I dont mind other languages recruiting in their own language for their guild, but when they chat in general in another language then english, it pushes my buttons.
This. This is why I'm worried about these news. On retail it was already really bad on some servers eventho language specific servers existed. Now that even those will be gone we'll have this issue even more. I had to move servers multiple times because one language just overtook all the other ones. Even if it's my fellow countrymen I really dislike the mentality where they won't play/group with others based on where they come from.

I love meeting random new ppl online, it's big part of the fun for me, I always thought it's fun that the playerbase is so international, keeps it more interesting.

Yes I know some ppl don't speak other languages and I have nothing against one-nationality-only guilds but when a whole server becomes that it's not good.

Language specific servers would benefit everyone.

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Rinkusan wrote:
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Faramis wrote:
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I hate this decision. It completely ruins the classic immersion for me. I played on a german Server with german as Main language.

Hopefully there will be a EU Server with a majority that speaks german. Otherwise it will have a private Server mentality for me and thats something i'm not looking for.
You are posting on an international forum with English as the language of choice. There are dozens of german forums.

Can you explain this choice to me?
The forum ans the Server are completely Different Things. The forum benefits from diferrent Nations and views. The game doesnt. At least for me. As I stated. The immersion suffers for me in this case

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Faramis wrote:
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The forum benefits from diferrent Nations and views. The game doesnt.
That's like saying a cookbook benefits from variety, but food doesn't.
I encourage you to give it a try, you might find that you actually enjoy it.

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Rinkusan wrote:
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That's like saying a cookbook benefits from different ingredients, but food doesn't.
Pure logic... the cookbook tastes better with more ingredients! The food not!

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@neofrag I rephrased, just for you :)

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I'm so happy about this. Wow is the game that helped me the most in improvingy English (I'm Italian) and I hope it will help others too. It all depends on the way EU player will play along : if they'll start shattering in micro communities because "I don't want to learn English" it will be an issue in the long run, otherwise it's just an extra opportunity for personal growth. To be fair in fact all the players that didn't spoke English/french/German/Spanish/Portoguese/Russian had to deal with this "barrier" at least up to cataclysm. And even after that I was so used to English names that the sole thought of playing in a game where my leader was "Cairne Zoccolo Sanguinante" gave me shivers...

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”Cairne Zoccolo Sanguinante"
:lol:

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”Cairne Zoccolo Sanguinante"
:lol:

Cairne Testa di Cazzo
Poor Cairne :cry:

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you're getting german and french realms!

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wow/t ... alms/36905

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Wonderful news, I don't want to play Classic with russians :)

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Latsiv wrote:
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you're getting german and french realms!

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wow/t ... alms/36905
Expected but still great news.

They had to open servers for the second and third most spoken langages in Europe.

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