So during the AV testing I rolled a rogue and I was able to create a mouse-over Blind which allowed me to effectively CC a third party without changing targets and without losing any combo points.
I didn't think this was possible in classic, and I believe it has significant implications for balance.#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, harm] [@focus, harm] [] Blind
What do you think?
Wow! That's insane. That has MASSIVE implications on balance. Great information, thank you! You didnt submit a bug ticket did you... ... ..........
2000 IQg0bledyg00k wrote: ↑5 years agoNever making a single investment again until I 100% know it pays off.
AFAIK this is working as intended. Side effect from the new API/Client, been like this since the Demo and start of the BETA.
Spotted the rogue!Stfuppercut wrote: ↑5 years agoWow! That's insane. That has MASSIVE implications on balance. Great information, thank you! You didnt submit a bug ticket did you... ... ..........
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That worked in Classic already, there were great addons that made this possible.
It's not a bug, it's just a side effect of the new API. It doesn't give you a big advantage in Classic either.
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It does for Rogues, you don't lose combo points.
It gives you a gigantic advantage as a rogue.
2000 IQg0bledyg00k wrote: ↑5 years agoNever making a single investment again until I 100% know it pays off.
FTFY
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Ehhh... Have you played a rogue/ with a rogue/ against a rogue in retail arenas in the past 3 xpacs??? Even the shitters are using macros that have equivalent complexity. If we can mouseover in Classic to save combos, most rogues will be using them in PvP.
2000 IQg0bledyg00k wrote: ↑5 years agoNever making a single investment again until I 100% know it pays off.
I did play some rogue a couple of xpacs ago, basically as soon as I ding the new level cap I quit the xpacs, so no PvP or challenging content faced (i.e. no macros needed to play). I guess back in the day when I was playing arenas and stuff it was only the good rogues who would utilise custom macros etc.Stfuppercut wrote: ↑5 years agoEhhh... Have you played a rogue/ with a rogue/ against a rogue in retail arenas in the past 3 xpacs??? Even the shitters are using macros that have equivalent complexity. If we can mouseover in Classic to save combos, most rogues will be using them in PvP.
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Aaaa. Yeah, no, the bar has been raised quite significantly.Selexin wrote: ↑5 years agoI did play some rogue a couple of xpacs ago, basically as soon as I ding the new level cap I quit the xpacs, so no PvP or challenging content faced (i.e. no macros needed to play). I guess back in the day when I was playing arenas and stuff it was only the good rogues who would utilise custom macros etc.
2000 IQg0bledyg00k wrote: ↑5 years agoNever making a single investment again until I 100% know it pays off.
This is part of the meta I'm not super enthused about with Classic WoW, but is something completely unavoidable. There will be so many more min/maxer turbonerds compared to vanilla WoW when everyone was a noob. It is what it is, and it is the evolution of the game - I guess I'm in it for the old vibes, not the competitive edge. This is part of the reason I have been considering PvE also, as those servers will be largely focused on PvE goals and experiences, rather than PvP bleeding edge gameplay. I could be wrong on that though.
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I can tell you guys that a mouseover macro affects everyone quite fairly. Sure a Rogue/Feral has the ability to generate CP on a non-autoattacking mob which some people would consider "strong" but it's not all that useful in the greater scheme of things, perhaps helping most with their leveling.
Mouseovers existed prior due to scripting and addons but worked slightly different, with the new API you can't have everything 100% as they were but they try to mimic the best they can. Dropping CP on untarget is pserv bs so
Aaaaa, us turbonerds have always existed. The result will be the same. Downranking my spells and using rank 1 shadow word pain to proc blackouts in vanilla made me a stud spriest! I was on the cutting edge of the meta (bahahaha). I laughed at the keyboard turners and mopped the floor with them. Keybinds and downranking was the difference between the shitters and the turbonerds. I guess you could throw addons in this category as well?Selexin wrote: ↑5 years agoThis is part of the meta I'm not super enthused about with Classic WoW, but is something completely unavoidable. There will be so many more min/maxer turbonerds compared to vanilla WoW when everyone was a noob. It is what it is, and it is the evolution of the game - I guess I'm in it for the old vibes, not the competitive edge. This is part of the reason I have been considering PvE also, as those servers will be largely focused on PvE goals and experiences, rather than PvP bleeding edge gameplay. I could be wrong on that though.
The new generation will have their own meta and will laugh at the new version of keyboard turners (who I will inevitably become over the course of time). The cycle repeats and the meta evolves, the top players continue to raise the bar, and that raises the expectations of the mediocre players who eventually rise to the occasion.
2000 IQg0bledyg00k wrote: ↑5 years agoNever making a single investment again until I 100% know it pays off.
I think that was what I was getting at, I was probably somewhat min/max turbonerd equivalent in Vanilla, but I stopped there and intend to play to a similar level that I did in vanilla (geez I feel like an old bastard now). I guess what I was saying was what you were getting at, the bar has changed, so what was considered a turbonerd, is now the 'norm'. I don't think I have the energy to commit to raising my own playing bar to match the new level of elite, which is my own choice/failing. Wait, I've turned into Principal Skinner!Stfuppercut wrote: ↑5 years agoThe cycle repeats and the meta evolves, the top players continue to raise the bar, and that raises the expectations of the mediocre players who eventually rise to the occasion.
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I like all the rogues trying to pretend this is intended/valid balance change/always existed/effects everyone equally/etc etc.
It's not, and if you have to try and push for something like this, you have to ask if classic wow is really the game for you, instead of something a bit more hand-holdy.
Like retail.
Addons like SuperMacro let you make this in the 1.12 client (pservers), so it's a good idea to have the @mouseover functionality of the new client out of the box.
Raven is quite right! I just researched the topic a bit after watching the video he provided, it seems that combo points were only removed prior to patch 1.4 Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected. and as we all know we are working with 1.12 in Classic, so this should be all good. I am really happy to have /focus and mouseover options.Raven wrote: ↑5 years agoI can tell you guys that a mouseover macro affects everyone quite fairly. Sure a Rogue/Feral has the ability to generate CP on a non-autoattacking mob which some people would consider "strong" but it's not all that useful in the greater scheme of things, perhaps helping most with their leveling.
Mouseovers existed prior due to scripting and addons but worked slightly different, with the new API you can't have everything 100% as they were but they try to mimic the best they can. Dropping CP on untarget is pserv bs so
Interesting echo-chamber thought there. I'll just leave this here: Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected..Executive wrote: ↑5 years agoI like all the rogues trying to pretend this is intended/valid balance change/always existed/effects everyone equally/etc etc.
It's not, and if you have to try and push for something like this, you have to ask if classic wow is really the game for you, instead of something a bit more hand-holdy.
Like retail.
Just an fyi that focus macros aren't in.
Thanks for shattering my drea... eeh, I mean, for telling me upfront!
Raven originally posted this link you see him detarget and return to his original target with CP.MeatLumps wrote: ↑5 years agoIn my mind, apart from what the patch notes say, the other question becomes: what does visual evidence from that time period show? There's always the possibilty that there was a bug and it didnt work as intended originally. Does anyone have an old PvP video that can show that a mouseover macro cleared or did not clear the combo points on another target?
Edit: Detarget, targeting another player and then return to his original target with CP even.
The issue in 1.12 wasn't deselecting, it was that casting a spell on another target cleared your CPs. 1.4's change has nothing to do with this.Pluuf wrote: ↑5 years agoInteresting echo-chamber thought there. I'll just leave this here: Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected..Executive wrote: ↑5 years agoI like all the rogues trying to pretend this is intended/valid balance change/always existed/effects everyone equally/etc etc.
It's not, and if you have to try and push for something like this, you have to ask if classic wow is really the game for you, instead of something a bit more hand-holdy.
Like retail.
