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P.s. Ret sucks and I'll take you down as a feral druid
I am Up for a Duel ;)

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I am Up for a Duel ;)
Holy shit you called my bluff, you know Druid vs Paladin is like the immovable object meets.... the immovable object! That duel could go for years.

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Holy shit you called my bluff, you know Druid vs Paladin is like the immovable object meets.... the immovable object! That duel could go for years.
I have the first 4 Weeks off work on Release so i have enough time ;)

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Wait, are you looking for a pserver outcome, or a vanilla WoW outcome? This one confuses me - granted you have shown your desire for dynamic respawns (a key element of pservers) so I'm not entirely surprised. You literally just said "vanilla was 3.5k-4.5k" "pservers were 12k" "God imagine if there is only layers of 3k!" Does that seem odd to you? 3k layer is much closer to vanilla than 12k with dynamic respawns, isn't it?
Again. Vanilla was vanilla. Private was private. And Classic will be Classic. They are all separate. That being said, Classic is shaping up to be the least competitive version of world PvP that we have seen. Private is relevant because private servers sparked the development of Classic and private servers hosted a massive playerbase, so they offer a great talking point for dynamic respawns. If you had read my previous posts, my actual desired outcome was temporary sharding confined to start zones (as Blizzard originally planned). I have seen dynamic respawns and I personally believe that sharding within start zones would have the smallest impact on Classic. Having played on private, it was a bloodbath. I dont use that term lightly, and while I will cherish those memories fondly, I am prepared to move onto Classic.
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This has kind of been my point from the beginning, yourself and others take a lot of time to point out how doom and gloom layering is, regardless of it being temporary - it's hard to not have that hit home eventually. You are right that there has been nothing official from Blizzard on implementing restrictions/safeguards on layering to prevent abuse (and this concerns me most of all). My optimistic side still hopes that Blizzard use the stress test and beta to find ways to prevent exploitation of layering before launch. But based on my experience with Blizzard and expansions/launches, I tend to agree with you that they will ignore feedback from people like us and launch a shit-show of exploits/bugs/shit we don't want.
No Selexin, I have been outlining the negatives that will likely present themselves with layering. You are speaking in terms of absolutes... Actual doom and gloom scenarios... "I tend to agree with you that they will ignore feedback from people like us and launch a shit-show of exploits/bugs/shit we don't want." This is not my line of thinking, its yours.

For example...
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I am happy to concede that layer hopping will be instant, easy, abusable and rampantly destroying the vanilla feel (which is a shame).
That is a very bleak outlook and is not one that I support. I can be critical of a specific aspect of the launch without losing faith in the entire project. I am concerned about what implications layering will have and I think that it was a poor option, but I dont think that layering will ruin vanilla forever. The launch wont be my cup of tea and then we will move onto phase 2.
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Ultimately I think you're on the money @Stfuppercut, I think layering will have a negative impact on the game, but I just hope that it is minimised at much as possible so that we can all enjoy trying to recreate that vanilla experience. Don't get me wrong, I am still excited to play the game, I just really hope that it doesn't turn out to be quite so negatively impacted that yourself and others have predicted, that would kind of just be a kick in the guts after all of these years waiting.
I am less interested with recreating the vanilla experience, and more interested in experiencing Classic for what it will be. I think that if you go into Classic with minimized expectations you will have a good time.

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I have the first 4 Weeks off work on Release so i have enough time ;)
I can't believe you pulled that off, you lucky bastard hahaha. I'm very jealous :smile:

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I can't believe you pulled that off, you lucky bastard hahaha. I'm very jealous
*pssssssttt* Best thing is my GF is the first week away because of her job, so 20/7 gaming xD

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I think that if you go into Classic with minimized expectations you will have a good time.
Ugh, you suck @Stfuppercut, I hate this sentiment. Can't I just want a true recreation of Vanilla - damnit!

Anyway, I'm over the layering discussion well and truly, I'm 5 drinks into my night and I just want to talk shit about druid builds, beta stuff, hybrid builds etc. How about we reassess the effects of layering when either Blizz come out with some solid details on combatting the abuse of layering, or once the game has launched and we are knee deep in layering?

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Stfuppercut wrote:
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I think that if you go into Classic with minimized expectations you will have a good time.
Ugh, you suck @Stfuppercut, I hate this sentiment. Can't I just want a true recreation of Vanilla - damnit!

Anyway, I'm over the layering discussion well and truly, I'm 5 drinks into my night and I just want to talk shit about druid builds, beta stuff, hybrid builds etc. How about we reassess the effects of layering when either Blizz come out with some solid details on combatting the abuse of layering, or once the game has launched and we are knee deep in layering?
Deal. Though, I don't think I will be around here often when Classic comes out... I will be... very... very... preoccupied. I actually applaud @teebling for having beta access and still being such an active part of the forum.

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Deal. Though, I don't think I will be around here often when Classic comes out... I will be... very... very... preoccupied. I actually applaud @teebling for having beta access and still being such an active part of the forum.
C'mon dude, you gotta stick around. I have set it on my 'Daily' bookmarks folder to open when I get to work, or when I get home, which prompts me to read/respond.

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C'mon dude, you gotta stick around. I have set it on my 'Daily' bookmarks folder to open when I get to work, or when I get home, which prompts me to read/respond.
In other words @Selexin loves you @Stfuppercut

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C'mon dude, you gotta stick around. I have set it on my 'Daily' bookmarks folder to open when I get to work, or when I get home, which prompts me to read/respond.
In other words @Selexin loves you @Stfuppercut
He's the Ying to my Yang :wink:

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He's the Ying to my Yang
What if he wants to be the Yang in your.....ahm to your Ying? ;)

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He's the Ying to my Yang
What if he wants to be the Yang in your.....ahm to your Ying? ;)
We maaaaay be off-topic now.... sorry @teebling!

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We maaaaay be off-topic now.... sorry @teebling!@teebling
Year sorry but we sadly have not enough Streamers that test stuff like things the op mentioned.

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I really do not want to engage in the Layering War but this looks just as bad as some feared:

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:confused: let's hope that the exposure means blizzard will try to do something about it.

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:confused: let's hope that the exposure means blizzard will try to do something about it.
Agreed.

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Back to topic: I think with some entrepreneurship and research you can always aoe farm as mage.

Did a full 20-60 aoe farm on a kind of ptr and it works great.
@Stfuppercuts first post already had good insight, aoe farming is mostly doing some good pulls and some necessary supporting pulls.

In addition

  • Find out which pulls YOU can do, mimicking YouTube guides doesn't always work
  • Look for area with low quest density and camps of melee mobs
  • Don't forget to try dungeons too, like deep borers in Mara or Lashers in DME

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It will be lees the matter of contested areas and more of the matter that level 20 for AOE is not very efficient. You risk a lot more trying to pull mobs prior to 40 because a mount lets you group mobs a lot easier without taking much damage. Additionally, you wont have talents like Ice Barrier until level 40 which will help keep you from being interrupted as well as the ability to grab a bunch of mobs without taking much damage. Anything is possible on a mage but it might not be as efficient as you hope it to be.

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