How would you feel about the armory being introduced for Classic?
Personally, I find it quite useful for seeing what spec/gear the top players are using.
Technically, this wasn't officially around until TBC but there was a website that took snapshots of characters items and even what was in their bags in vanilla (I forgot the name though).
If it is more limited than retail armory, sure.
Obviously achievement points wouldnt be in there either way, but I wouldnt want stuff like activity feed, reputation or raid progress too. Just gear, talents, guild and we are good imo.
That's a good point.
Just gear and talent tree would be perfect imo.
I voted no because I would hate armory checking to be a thing while forming groups, being declined on account of having too many greens or what have you. I know this can still be done in person but that makes it so that the people that would engage in such practices at least have to do it in person.
Activity feed and raid/dungeon progress should under no circumstances be in there if they were to introduce an armory functionality, good point.
I don't know if I'd rather be kicked in advance or at the point where I'd travelled all the way to the dungeon.Bulldozer wrote: ↑5 years agoI voted no because I would hate armory checking to be a thing while forming groups, being declined on account of having too many greens or what have you. I know this can still be done in person but that makes it so that the people that would engage in such practices at least have to do it in person.
I think Bulldozer is on to something about the checking up on people before a dungeon. Right now people don't have the tools, so they obviously can't. If you give them the tools then there is a chance something unfortunate might happen á la gear score back in Wrath. The armory is cool, but it sort of also takes the game outside of the just client, which is something vanilla was extremely good at not doing.
And don't worry Relik, I don't think I've ever heard of a single guy who got kicked from a dungeon group because he was undergeared and they found out when he showed up
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Being able to "pseudo"-inspect a character from the opposing faction sucks. I shouldn't be able to tell what rings the undead rogue who keeps ganking me is wearing.
Of course if you would meet for the first time at the dungeon itself and they kicked you then and there, they would have to spend time looking for a replacement, and they would have to wait for him to travel there as well. And who knows what gear that person would be rocking :).Relik wrote: ↑5 years agoI don't know if I'd rather be kicked in advance or at the point where I'd travelled all the way to the dungeon.Bulldozer wrote: ↑5 years agoI voted no because I would hate armory checking to be a thing while forming groups, being declined on account of having too many greens or what have you. I know this can still be done in person but that makes it so that the people that would engage in such practices at least have to do it in person.
So I feel like most people would prefer the risk of taking someone lower geared over waiting around looking for a replacement, when the rest might grow bored or run out of time and leave.
If blizzard doesn't do it some third party will. There are already third party armories for private servers that check people's gear with an addon.
So its either blizzard doing it or the community.
Through addons like that, people could build armories but they would not be comprehensive for every player in the game - only for whatever data the addon picks up from the clients it is installed on.
Through an API third parties would be able to build a proper armory but we’re not sure that is even going to be there on launch according to the most recent interviews - they even ventured to say it probably won’t be there.
So not necessarily in my opinion.
Can anyone remember what the site was called that worked as an armory back in the day? It showed what was in the character's bags too, was really fun for being nosy.
I don't think anybody would use it to inspect people before 5 men. Do you remember how long it took to find people at all? I don't worrry about it at all.
Armory is useful for guild recruitment. You can find out if your tank is really tank specced and your gear can easily be inspected. Do you remember those 3rd party sites we used to fill in our gear and then post link in applications?
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I think an armory can have benefits, but as other have mentioned already these tools can be used both in a bad and good way.
I wouldn't worry too much though, not everyone's evil and a lot of these try-hard players will eventually adapt or leave.
In the end if you can't join groups or raids due to people being ignorant, you can always form a group yourself.
No. Anything that encourages stat checking takes fun away from the experience. It's always more fun to try a fight than it is to sit on the sidelines.
In one scenario, you and a bunch of guildies go to a raid and give it a shot. Take it lightly. You wipe a few times. You have a few good laughs. You log off having had a fun session even if you didn't kill the boss. If you want to get serious next time, you find out what needs improvement.
In the other scenario, the guild announces a raid during the week. You don't even get invited because you don't have the right gear/spec. Now you have a choice. Grind for the gear and switch the spec, or don't go.
At first glance I want it because I just want to be able to look at and share my gear with others but it's going to invite too much scrutiny that carries over into game when trying to get a group. So no, unfortunately.
This is a pretty unlikely scenario. You're essentially describing two different guilds. Your guild either has spec/gear requirements or it doesn't. And if your guild does have spec requirements and you're trying to hide the fact that you're not following them, then it doesn't seem like you're being a very good guildmate. Maybe they should have the ability to check those things.Brhule wrote: ↑5 years agoNo. Anything that encourages stat checking takes fun away from the experience. It's always more fun to try a fight than it is to sit on the sidelines.
In one scenario, you and a bunch of guildies go to a raid and give it a shot. Take it lightly. You wipe a few times. You have a few good laughs. You log off having had a fun session even if you didn't kill the boss. If you want to get serious next time, you find out what needs improvement.
In the other scenario, the guild announces a raid during the week. You don't even get invited because you don't have the right gear/spec. Now you have a choice. Grind for the gear and switch the spec, or don't go.
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Shouldn't be in, but if Blizzard keeps doing stupid things like they have been and adds it it should only show gear and professions so people can't roll on items they don't need.
I'm not talking about hiding anything by any means. I'm saying that having things like the armory in place fuels the min/max culture, which to me is a very soulless way to play a video game. Sometimes we need to ditch the charts and numbers and just have a good time.Reiker wrote: ↑5 years agoThis is a pretty unlikely scenario. You're essentially describing two different guilds. Your guild either has spec/gear requirements or it doesn't. And if your guild does have spec requirements and you're trying to hide the fact that you're not following them, then it doesn't seem like you're being a very good guildmate. Maybe they should have the ability to check those things.
At first I was pro, but at the same time I like not having an armory. I would rather prefer people look you up in-game and inspect you than go on some random website. An unofficial armory for those who want could be nice though.
I remember when the armory was first introduced a lot of Hybrids were vocal on the forums opposing it because it would reveal their hybrid spec and prevent them from getting invited to groups, even if they were healing with good gear.
There are a lot of hybrid specs that are plenty good at healing, and I'd rather all the talents remain hidden.
Even if I am not playing a hybrid, if I think my dps spec is better than the class lead's it'd be great if he didn't check me on armory and tell me to respec before the raid. He'll just have to wonder what happened when I out dps him.
If you feel you have to resort to hiding your spec from the general public, on account that you will not get invited to groups if your spec was easily available, then there's probably a problem with your spec.Linguine wrote: ↑5 years agoI remember when the armory was first introduced a lot of Hybrids were vocal on the forums opposing it because it would reveal their hybrid spec and prevent them from getting invited to groups, even if they were healing with good gear.
There are a lot of hybrid specs that are plenty good at healing, and I'd rather all the talents remain hidden.
Even if I am not playing a hybrid, if I think my dps spec is better than the class lead's it'd be great if he didn't check me on armory and tell me to respec before the raid. He'll just have to wonder what happened when I out dps him.
Alternatively, if your hybrid spec does have merit, then any competent raid leader/group organiser will know this--and therefore invite you. And if they don't invite you, then they weren't competent in the first place, and you would not want to be a part of that group anyway!
Some classes have a lot of urban legends and other classes trying to boss them around. What does the warrior who's never played anything else know if your hybrid spec is any good? He wants a healer and the only thing he knows about your class is that "resto heals", not feral. (And 0/30/21? Hasn't even heard of the spec.)Cprr wrote: ↑5 years agoIf you feel you have to resort to hiding your spec from the general public, on account that you will not get invited to groups if your spec was easily available, then there's probably a problem with your spec.Linguine wrote: ↑5 years agoI remember when the armory was first introduced a lot of Hybrids were vocal on the forums opposing it because it would reveal their hybrid spec and prevent them from getting invited to groups, even if they were healing with good gear.
There are a lot of hybrid specs that are plenty good at healing, and I'd rather all the talents remain hidden.
Even if I am not playing a hybrid, if I think my dps spec is better than the class lead's it'd be great if he didn't check me on armory and tell me to respec before the raid. He'll just have to wonder what happened when I out dps him.
Alternatively, if your hybrid spec does have merit, then any competent raid leader/group organiser will know this--and therefore invite you. And if they don't invite you, then they weren't competent in the first place, and you would not want to be a part of that group anyway!
He may be an amazingly competent Warrior, fantastic tank, and great guy, but it is asking too much for players to be knowledgable about all eight classes on their faction.
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