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Like if it’s very high damage per mana/time I guess we should try to use it every 30 seconds, even if our assigned role is healing. What do you think

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It’s situational.

Is the party/raid struggling to stay alive to kill the boss? Keep healing.

Is the boss being spanked easily with everyone alive and at +90% health (and you are not the MT/OT designated healer)? Execute away.

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Vlostek wrote:
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It’s situational.
Sometimes you have to make decisions.

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I don't think it's very situational. you can only press it every 30 seconds. Plus most of the time there is SOME healing to do, but it's not clearcut how much. What I want to know is how it compares to other dps in terms of damage per mana spent/time casted

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I don't think it's very situational. you can only press it every 30 seconds. Plus most of the time there is SOME healing to do, but it's not clearcut how much. What I want to know is how it compares to other dps in terms of damage per mana spent/time casted
It is entirely situational. Do you need to heal? Then you should be healing. Dont need to heal? You can contribute to DPS so you arent being usless. You dont need to compare it to other DPS, because you arent a DPS, you are a healer. The DPS you do with hammer or ANY dps you do as a healer is irrelevant because you should have a healing assignment which is always your priority. If you are adequately sustaining your healing target and can do damage - do damage. Even if that damage is negligible and its filling empty time where you would be standing around, its more valuable than standing around. If you are trying to do negligible damage and end up letting your heal assignment die - youre bad. But what if your damage is super duper powerful as a healer!!!??? It doesnt matter, in a raid of 40 people, you just keep your healing assignment alive and the boss dies.

Sometimes you have to make decisions. Ughhhhhhh... Sometimes that means you will heal and othertimes when you dont need to heal, you can do damage.

"What is better, do damage or do healing for Classic? Me wants to be always good? So damage good or heals?"
It depends.

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Are you guys seriously having a discussion about whether you should use hammer of wrath in between healing? Cmon.

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Are you guys seriously having a discussion about whether you should use hammer of wrath in between healing? Cmon.
All the cool kids play as a battle healer :lol:

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Rocket science here :roll:

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All the cool kids play as a battle healer :lol:
Don’t laugh too hard, this sounds like the sort of nonsense you would write a guide about unironically. :lol:

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Don’t laugh too hard, this sounds like the sort of nonsense you would write a guide about unironically.
I was being facetious, a "battle healer" is very much a thing in the form of a support paladin (T1 paladin melee). People who spend some time in the paladin community would know this... Unfortunately, it has a low PPM in Classic so I am not interested in it.

            
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Is the boss at 1% and your raid needs to drop them quick or else risk a wipe? Maybe.

Otherwise, no.

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Caperfin wrote:
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I was being facetious, a "battle healer" is very much a thing in the form of a support paladin (T1 paladin melee). People who spend some time in the paladin community would know this... Unfortunately, it has a low PPM in Classic so I am not interested in it.
I knew you'd think it was, which is why I was teasing you. I can save you the effort of testing it and tell you that its a silly idea and its not worthwhile.

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My buddy plays a holy paladin, I run dungeons with him, he's our healer, and is OOM every other fight because he's standing in the mosh pit with the rest of the DPS spamming all his mana on offensive spells swinging a big 2handed sword doing DPS. Our raid team's mantra is ABP, Always Be Pullin. My buddy heals using the NBH method of Never Be Healin. It works really well when all 5 people in the group are in voice chat talking shit the entire time and not caring about wipes or clear times

"Was that a heal? I forgot what those felt like"
"Shut up bitch you'll get healed when you deserve it"

:lol:

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Caperfin wrote:
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I was being facetious, a "battle healer" is very much a thing in the form of a support paladin (T1 paladin melee). People who spend some time in the paladin community would know this... Unfortunately, it has a low PPM in Classic so I am not interested in it.
I knew you'd think it was, which is why I was teasing you. I can save you the effort of testing it and tell you that its a silly idea and its not worthwhile.
Not my thinking or idea, its a relatively common notion for +4 years in the paladin community. Seeing as how it has a low PPM in Classic and the heal doesn't compensate for the 70% dps output, it doesn't interest me.

            
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Like if it’s very high damage per mana/time I guess we should try to use it every 30 seconds, even if our assigned role is healing. What do you think
I think that's how these 1% wipes happen. Speaking from experience :smile:

Played hpala on pserver earlier this year and usually your assigned role is MT healing, so just stick to doing that.
PVE isn't against players who might be in awe if you go full facerush retard, so it doesn't work there.

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Pippina wrote:
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My buddy plays a holy paladin, I run dungeons with him, he's our healer, and is OOM every other fight because he's standing in the mosh pit with the rest of the DPS spamming all his mana on offensive spells swinging a big 2handed sword doing DPS. Our raid team's mantra is ABP, Always Be Pullin. My buddy heals using the NBH method of Never Be Healin. It works really well when all 5 people in the group are in voice chat talking shit the entire time and not caring about wipes or clear times

"Was that a heal? I forgot what those felt like"
"Shut up bitch you'll get healed when you deserve it"

:lol:
This gave me and my friends a good laugh. Its good knowing we aren't the only ones that treat each other like this. :lol:

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Faendor wrote:
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Are you guys seriously having a discussion about whether you should use hammer of wrath in between healing? Cmon.
Yes of course we having a serious discussion. It's literally a one second cast, once every 30 seconds. And what if it is very high damage per that 1 second compared to all the DPS and their usual abilities? Obviously, worthwhile. Of course this thread is full of absolute idiots with no concept of relative tradeoffs so why bother

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Iban wrote:
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I don't think it's very situational. you can only press it every 30 seconds. Plus most of the time there is SOME healing to do, but it's not clearcut how much. What I want to know is how it compares to other dps in terms of damage per mana spent/time casted
It is entirely situational. Do you need to heal? Then you should be healing.
Which is bullcrap from a non expert healer who isn't overhealing or cancel-casting, and whose raid suffers because of it. High end healers know that their is a huge grey area between "needing more heals" or not, because you can always overspam the tank, and can always be cancel-casting, in order to ensure that critical tank moments are kept to a minimum. This thread is full of weed smokers who went until they see a red bar before they start casting. Total scrubs. Not even worth listening to

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How do you read "if you need to heal you should be healing" and conclude that you're being told not to heal until the team is in the red?

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Iban wrote:
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Which is bullcrap from a non expert healer who isn't overhealing or cancel-casting, and whose raid suffers because of it. High end healers know that their is a huge grey area between "needing more heals" or not, because you can always overspam the tank, and can always be cancel-casting, in order to ensure that critical tank moments are kept to a minimum. This thread is full of weed smokers who went until they see a red bar before they start casting. Total scrubs. Not even worth listening to
No. No.... No. You have a priority. That is healing. If that priority is being met, you continue down through your hierarchy of abilities. You need to use your discretion as a healer. Healing is whack-a-mole. Its dynamic, its always different, its simple and when you aren't busy you can do DPS. If you don't understand that... You're probably (definitely)... Bad.

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@Iban You are talking about it like it was rocket science decision.

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