What is the best Horde race for Shaman?
What is the best Horde race for Huntard?
What is the best Horde race for dru... hahaha just kidding
What is the best Horde race for Rogue?
What is the best Horde race for Mage?
What is the best Horde race for Priest?
What is the best Horde race for Warlock?

Warrior is Orc for both PvE and PvP. Hunter is Orc for PvP/Troll for PvE. Rogue is debatable, id favor Orc for PvP. Priest would be troll (yes for both PvE and PvP - "but my WOTF" - youre wrong). Mage is debatable, I would take undead for PvP and troll for PvE. Warlock is Orc for PvP, undead for PvE. Shaman would depend on your spec entirely, I would lean towards Orc if you have any aspirations of PvP/enhance where as I assume resto/ele would lean towards troll especially for PvE. Warstomp blends nicely for a shaman in PvP and has good synergy with abilities, but due to the HUGE hitbox, this makes frostshock kiting far worse and I would avoid playing a tauren for PvP as anything other than enhance, and if youre going enhance, you should be going Orc anyways.

I'm excited to see what others have to say.

Undead for all their classes because their racials are the most superior in game and orc hunter because their racials best suit the class.

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Undead for all their classes because their racials are the most superior in game and orc hunter because their racials best suit the class.

The bait is real... I'm lickin my lips!

"Priest should be troll in pvp"
Trolls
- berserk, increasing attack and casting speed. Useful in pvp
-regen increased. Useful
-damage increased vs beast. Useless
-throwing and bow weapon skills increased. Useless.

Undead
-may become immune to fear, sleep and charm. Useful
-may consume corpses to regain health. Useful
-underwater breathing increased. Useful
-resistant to shadow dmg. Useful

"Warlock for orc in pvp"
-may enrage, increasing dmg but diminishing ability to be healed. Depends on the circumstances. Yes and no. Its a buff and debuff
-resistance to stun effects. Sure even tho felhunter can already devour magic.
-dmg done by pets increased. Useful
-skill with axe increased. Useless

Well, I'm going more on the lore-RP side:
Shaman -> Tauren, they are the one that helped the horde reconnecting with their lost shamanistic heritage
Hunter -> Tauren, hunting is at the base of their society (or at least is a very important part of it)
Rogue -> Undead/Troll. Undead beacause they are used to live in the shadows, troll because they are natively more agile than the other horde races
Mage -> This is probably the only one I don't have an opinion on
Priest -> Shadow Undead, otherwise troll
Warlock -> Undead (or Orc if you like to do some evil-RP). Theoretically, if you read any book like The Circle of Hatred based on the event between Warcraft and Wow, warlocks are exiled from orcish society. If you are discovered meddling with dark magics you're dead

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

"Warlock for orc in pvp"
-may enrage, increasing dmg but diminishing ability to be healed. Depends on the circumstances. Yes and no. Its a buff and debuff
-resistance to stun effects. Sure even tho felhunter can already devour magic.
-dmg done by pets increased. Useful
-skill with axe increased. Useless

Let's break that down a bit more since there is a nuance to be added:

- Blood Fury (Racial) adds melee attack power, so unless you rely on the epic Firestone meta this is useless.
- Stun resistance is HUGE; and not every stun is a magical effect, therefore can't always be dispelled (all stuns from rogue, warrior, hunter and weapon procs)

Agree with the other two points though.

I'm going to respond to this purely on personal choice and aesthetics.

Mage - Male Undead
Warlock - Female Orc
Rogue - Male Troll
Warrior - Male Orc
Shaman - Male Orc
Priest - Female Troll (love the healing casting animations for heals. super thematic)
Hunter - Male Troll
Druid - Both Tauren equally.

Black Monarch wrote: ↑

5 years ago

What is the best Horde race for Shaman?
What is the best Horde race for Huntard?
What is the best Horde race for dru... hahaha just kidding
What is the best Horde race for Rogue?
What is the best Horde race for Mage?
What is the best Horde race for Priest?
What is the best Horde race for Warlock?

I am going with a bit different approach here, because it's really not that easy on horde. You have no real optimal picks like alliance got with dwarf priests and human warriors who are just a level above.

So I would say today it depends alot on yourself what the best race is. I will give you some breakdown on the pros and cons of the races.

Orc is great if you want to have it easy. You get a bit easier itemisation with axes, have a built-in AP trinket and resist stuns more often. Can't pull off special shit, but is reliable especially for PVP.
Orcs can be the best for you if you are new and already busy with getting basics done or doing high skill PVP and every second matters.

Tauren are quite the opposite: you have a bigger hitbox, but have more reach. 5% max HP sound nice, but in the best available gear its still less than 500 HP. Your active racial is some aoe stun with a short cast time. That is looking a bit bland on paper compared to orcs, but consider the option of a 2 second aoe stun combined with engineering?
Tauren can be the best choice for you if you like to toy around a bit, and if you want to abuse being bigger.

Trolls are by todays standard the hidden BIS pick for min/maxers. Got some more dmg on beasts, a tiny passive regeneration bonus and berserking, a built-in haste effect. Because haste is rare in classic you can do some pretty neat shit. Like getting two more heroic strikes down in your opening sequence for big d*** TPS.
Trolls are - like Tauren - a good pick for more advanced players. Picked for priest spells and berserking mostly. Haste is op!

Undead got the inglorious WotF racial. Alliance Warlocks hate them :P. In addition you can eat corpses which reduces your downtime and works like an additional bandage cooldown. Water breathing also helps sometimes.
In my opinion Undead are your best choice if you favor safety: this is useful on fragile classes and pairs good with a reactive playstyle.

Hope that helps, because the beauty of horde is that there are no real optimal choices.

@Undeadlock What about the priest racials?

Lendryn wrote: ↑

5 years ago

@Undeadlock What about the priest racials?

Priest is a class.

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

"Priest should be troll in pvp"
Trolls
- berserk, increasing attack and casting speed. Useful in pvp
-regen increased. Useful
-damage increased vs beast. Useless
-throwing and bow weapon skills increased. Useless.

Undead
-may become immune to fear, sleep and charm. Useful
-may consume corpses to regain health. Useful
-underwater breathing increased. Useful
-resistant to shadow dmg. Useful

It's not just their actual racials that you need to take into account for priest.

You need to take into account their priest racials. And Shadowguard (the troll priest racial) is just too damn good. Devouring Plague (the undead priest racial) is good, don't get me wrong, but it's on a 3 minute cooldown and it costs a crap ton of mana. The other undead racial Touch of Weakness is also no where near as good as the trolls Hex of Weakness which cuts your targets healing done to them by a percentage.

Shadowguard procs blackout which is the bane of rogues.

Sure it's debatable which is the better of the two, but you can't convince me that undead priests are better than trolls.

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Lendryn wrote: ↑

5 years ago

@Undeadlock What about the priest racials?

Priest is a class.

Oh boy

https://blizzardwatch.com/2019/07/02/pr ... w-classic/

Okay maybe I should clarify.

Which are the best combinations for questing and raiding, with no regard for PvP, lore, or aesthetics?

Lendryn wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Lendryn wrote: ↑

5 years ago

@Undeadlock What about the priest racials?

Priest is a class.

Oh boy

https://blizzardwatch.com/2019/07/02/pr ... w-classic/

Theyre about the same or balanced.

Black Monarch wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Which are the best combinations for questing and raiding, with no regard for PvP, lore, or aesthetics?

If it's for questing and raiding PURELY with no regard to PvP... it would likely be Troll for everything that can be a troll.

Honestly, that increased damage against beasts is just stupid good considering the majority of mobs you will be killing in the world are beasts.

Warrior - Troll
Warlock - Undead or Orc, both are pretty even in terms of PvE
Shaman - Troll
Druid - Tauren (obviously)
Priest - Troll
Rogue - Troll
Hunter - 100% Troll
Mage - Troll
Paladin - Get the fuck outta here

Tauren Warrior are the surprise of Beta. Much of the theorycrafting over the years on pservers did not include this degree of leeway + Tauren hitbox mechanics, and beta players are saying Tauren Warriors are more fearsome than Orc Warriors (except vs Rogues/Pallys/Warriors of course). The hitbox range is absolutely absurd and makes it so much harder to kite Tauren Warriors than any other race.

- Tauren leeway is unreal.
- Orcs are the most unbalanced race altogether, 100%.
- Undeads are arguably the coolest race, WOTF is God-tier and Cannibalize is pretty solid for leveling. Bonus points if you roll a Priest.
- Trolls, I love'em, but man, their cloak is literally 15 inches away from their back.

Edit: To actually make my post slightly more useful;
Druid: Eh......well.....Tauren.
Hunter: Troll due to bow specialization and Berserking. Bonus point for Beast Slaying.
Rogue: Orc because of Hardiness and Blood Fury for additional damage. Undead is solid as well.
Mage: Troll PVE due to Berserking and Beast Slaying. Undead PVP because well, WOTF, again, God-tier in PVP.
Shaman: Orc if Enhancement, Troll if Restoration/Elemental.
Warlock: Orc gets additional pet damage on top of being the ultimate vanilla race.
Warrior: Orc for Fury PVE, Orc/Troll for Protection. Orc's Axe Specialization = more threat = easier tanking. Same goes for Beast Slaying. Orc for Arms PVP, Hardiness = broken.
Priest: Undead, WOTF carries in PVP. Troll is arguably better if you intend on rolling a Shadow Priest (or do PVE content) due to Shadowguard (reflecting melee attacks), Berserking and Hex of Weakness (reducing effectiveness of healing by 20%).

To keep it somewhat short.

Ariba has it covered. The undead vs orc difference really comes down to what the populations are like. I think priest is going to be even more popular with the legends of shadow priest and the fact that anyone that wants to seriously main heal is going priest. Unsure on alliance warlocks, but the thing to keep in mind is that there are going to be so many people playing that the class spread is going to be different than private servers.
WotF is better (for a serious pvper) than Hardiness. The issue is, it's also so situational, and because it's situational, it can potentially be less useful depending on demographics.

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Undead for all their classes because their racials are the most superior

Justbe wrote: ↑

5 years ago

it would likely be Troll for everything that can be a troll.

ariba wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Orcs are the most unbalanced race altogether, 100%... the ultimate vanilla race.

PvP is the only thing you should care about when talking about strength of each race, as PvE is a walk in the park and no one cares about rankings.

Hunter - Orc
Warrior - Orc
Warlock - Orc
Rogue - Orc
Shaman - Orc
Mage - Undead
Priest - Doesn't matter, both are really strong
Druid - duh..

As for Alliance as a bonus
Hunter - Dwarf
Warrior - Gnome
Warlock - Gnome
Rogue - Dwarf
Paladin - Dwarf
Mage - Gnome
Priest - Dwarf
Druid - duh..

The Dwarf & Gnome master race meme is actually not a meme afterall...

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Theyre about the same or balanced.

Oops. No they arent. Which is why your comments are silly lol. Now go back and read what I wrote, look at the individual racials, understand that Hardiness outvalues WoTF for PvP for a warlock and understand that Troll is favorable for both PvE and PvP for a priest - though an argument could be made for an Undead if you are taking an inner focus devouring plague build - but outside of this, troll is superior.

Lendryn wrote: ↑

5 years ago

@Undeadlock What about the priest racials?

Undeadlock wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Lendryn wrote: ↑

5 years ago

@Undeadlock What about the priest racials?

Priest is a class.

Wow - this exchange made my fucking day.

orc if available, always.