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killerduki wrote:
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I'll just go back to my normal rotation when kings gets nerfed personally (doubt it will).

Classic is a lot easier than private so regardless MTing will be easy.
It's not Kings only , i aggroed all mobs in low lvl dungeon by buffing 5 minutes blessing of wisdom either , which made me go like WTF .
You are right. It not just Kings. Kings is just the most used one because it has the lowest mana cost out of all Blessings.
Ironically the only blessing which causes NO threat whatsoever is Wisdom, which you claim to have pulled aggro with. So now you are just making stuff up again like always :)

And I have to concede that I have yet to tank a raid in Classic. I just prefer to heal as thats how I can support my raid team to the largest degree right now. I am a team player and I will nearly always attempt to play in such a way that benefit the team the most. I am also raidleading, and being in the back as a healer lets me have a larger overview of whats happening on the board so I can do my job more effectively. If I do happen to be in a position where I get to tank, then I will jump on it, but until then Im staying as healer.

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Reality burning them .... Prot Paladins are now part of "Spell Cleave" , what's so special about it, is that such "spell cleave" is beyond min/maxers and pushing Rogues/Warriors DPS or TANKS off from their spots.

The Millenials favor us (Hybrids) more than ever before today.

Just enjoy when BWL release, feel the outcry of Rogues and Warriors who couldn't cope with the "Spell Cleave" .
What? Okay... SO first of all, good spell cleave teams that are min/maxing, dont run a tank. Secondly, warriors were the kingpin of aoe threat when demo was broken. So the good spell cleave teams that hit 60 in week 1-2, either didnt run a tank, or used a warrior. Outside of this, feral is optimal IF you are running a tank... But again, good spellcleaves do not run a tank.

Also, warriors can melee cleave... No prot paladin is pushing a warrior from their spot, because a warriors spot is on a melee cleave. I was on a melee cleave as a warrior, and being that I built my team, I wanted to be on a melee cleave because its far easier and more achievable than a spell cleave.
You might hate it as much as you want, people today prefer to play more with skilled prot paladin than any sort of warrior or druid tank in 5 mans. This is part of the pushing off ways ... You just ignore to see it or either you are horde and have no clue about it.

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You might hate it as much as you want, people today prefer to play more with skilled prot paladin than any sort of warrior or druid tank in 5 mans. This is part of the pushing off ways ... You just ignore to see it or either you are horde and have no clue about it.
I mean... Youre wrong. You cant just say something definitively and expect everyone else to accept your delusional interpretation of the situation. Granted, youre only about level 30. I was actually on a cleave team and lead a guild of about 8 cleave teams. I now lead a guild of 3 raid teams that kill Rag weekly. So our experience levels are a bit different. Youre still leveling and youre still learning.

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This is how i changed the evolution regarding Prot Paladins , and ofc many experts came out (pretending as experts) today, mainly those who shitting on me and are claiming themselfs as best Paladin Tanks in world.... ..
That delusional ego. Wow.

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Selexin wrote:
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That delusional ego. Wow.
I actually imagine that Duki was a lot like me before the big accident and then became a super exaggerated version of what he used to be. So instead of being a bit pompous and obnoxious, sort of irritating but harmless, he just went full blown brain injury cray cray.

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This thread just gets more and more wild every time I look at it. It is good to know that millennials prefer prot paladins, I had no idea what I really wanted.

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Stfuppercut wrote:
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Selexin wrote:
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That delusional ego. Wow.
I actually imagine that Duki was a lot like me before the big accident and then became a super exaggerated version of what he used to be. So instead of being a bit pompous and obnoxious, sort of irritating but harmless, he just went full blown brain injury cray cray.
And i do wonder why Moderators still tolerating insulting ,when they said they are going to monitor and chill the insulting down.

From what i see , we have raging coalition kids who are here to derail the Topic Discussion into Killerduki Discussion.

Instead of keeping this Topic as "Serious Discussion on Paladin Tanking" and NOT as "Serious Discussion on Killerduki" .

Your Criticism is often Off Topic and if i was Moderator , every single discussion OUTSIDE of "Serioud Discussion on Protection Paladin" , would been completely removed.

This is unfortunately not the case right here , looking for past 15 pages at least.

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Millenials are destroying warriors and I don't know why? Damn man, these millenials are natural born killers

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And i do wonder why Moderators still tolerating insulting ,when they said they are going to monitor and chill the insulting down.
Just carry on having a serious discussion and don’t react to people winding you up then.

If this were real life then I would consider being insulted as a pretty good indication that those who disagree with me have nothing more to contribute to the subject.

We tolerate this kind of natural human behaviour on BC because its all part of how contentious topics play out.

We can’t realistically clamp down on people attacking each other all the time - there has to be a bit of slack.

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killerduki wrote:
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Classic is a lot easier than private so regardless MTing will be easy.


That's what i am trying to tell to those noobs who preach and denigrate Paladins 24/24.

They still are living in Private Servers Dreams even today... Just Dream on and keep Dreaming.

Reality burning them .... Prot Paladins are now part of "Spell Cleave" , what's so special about it, is that such "spell cleave" is beyond min/maxers and pushing Rogues/Warriors DPS or TANKS off from their spots.

The Millenials favor us (Hybrids) more than ever before today.

Just enjoy when BWL release, feel the outcry of Rogues and Warriors who couldn't cope with the "Spell Cleave" .
Ok, amazing post, would rate it 24/24.

Gotta feel for those who are "burning", not really no one cares.

Spell cleave has a paladin sometimes - - Healing.

Spell cleave and Melee cleave ARE for min/maxers.

Gonna be honest, consult a doctor, nothing you wrote made any sense, you can just feel the anger in your comments...so unhealthy.



P.S: Millenials do prefer hybrids, I work at Toyota and we're having a blast.

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Semi necro on this but there was an interesting addition to the ‘not a bug’ list recently which concerns pally tanking which I thought would raise some discussion here:

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Righteous Fury grants additional threat on all holy abilities, not just attacks.

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Ah yes. Its what enables the Blessing of Kings to function as a threat generator like Caspus and I talked about earlier in the thread.
It also buffs threat from Seal of Wisdom so that in lower gear levels at least, its viable tanking just using Seal of Wisdom for mana, as each mana restored from the seal generate 0.95 threat

We have been worried this was a bug that would eventually get fixed, and yesterdays blue post gave us quite some relief :)

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That's interesting to read.

Time to Heal as Tank or spam Buffs during P2 Ony , Sapphiron Air Phase etc etc :)

Lol such thing can be abused on many stuffs , including Mobs immune on Spell abilities in BWL etc.

Well at least since this have official thing , it will become super strong thing.

JoW/SoW/JoL/SoL .

Now on top of that add : JoL on Boss and full T1 .

Yeah Warriors can only kiss our ass on aggro right now .

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I mean, Paladins have been doing that for a month already ;) Heals still wont be viable really. Paladins have a 0.25 threat modifier on their heals, most likely precicely because RF affect all Spells, so this was Blizzards workaround to prevent heals from causing too much threat.

T1 procrate is sadly terrible in Classic compared to private servers, so this is no longer a viable PvE set for a Paladin to support their group with. Classic has the set on a 1 PPM, and Seal of Righteousness dont seem to proc it.

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There is JoW (casters regen mana) and SoR , on top of that for Onyxia Buffing while regen is making us Paladins Kings of the Tanks for p2-p3 transition , since Onyxia is Taunt immune and our JoW or Buffs do good threats during P2.

This is not only Onyxia , many others too . Twins etc etc .

Range Twin - sit close to and Heal or Buff :)

You can solo Tank both of Bosses at one of the side , instead of praying for Warlocks/Warr ;)

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And the dreaded topic of doom & gloom has been revived another time. Unfortunately ....

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At least its on a positive light. My core went from pretending to be happy about me tanking to almost actually happy about me tanking overnight.

This overall just cuts my work load in half as I don't have to fully depend on consumables to keep up, now i'll be almost ahead people with consumes added as a more rounded tank.

Taunt fights shouldn't be a issue anymore and fights like Chromaggus won't be a issue to off-time for time lapse. I am pretty excited.

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Caspus wrote:
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almost actually happy about me tanking
I appreciate your honesty throughout the threads Caspus!

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Selexin wrote:
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almost actually happy about me tanking
I appreciate your honesty throughout the threads Caspus!
Aha, im a shitposter at the end of the day. Im aware of the meme and was always first to make fun of myself.

On a serious note this "not a bug" is a huge relief to the prot community though so we're viable in my book. Get a competent paladin tank just like you would a competent warrior tank and you'll be doing fine.

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Fuck sake. Have to level a paladin now...

Wanted both Warrior and Druid tanks at 60, but I had written off the idea of having to level a paladin because they aren't "viable" or whatever.

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Sikeo wrote:
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Fuck sake. Have to level a paladin now...

Wanted both Warrior and Druid tanks at 60, but I had written off the idea of having to level a paladin because they aren't "viable" or whatever.
Millenials love them, go make a paladin now.

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In b4 Holyfrog called us "Poor Aggro" ..

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The issue with the class is in raids mainly due to gear and single target threat output.
Mhm .... ®Made by Holyfrog.

Ah and yeah : Here is Video about Furry Warrior Tank represented by Skarm and supported by Holyfrog :



Begin from 09:49 .

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Perhaps because nobody could have actually predicted that Greater Blessings would generate threat.. Like.. Its not like I was wrong when I wrote that. Single target threat output IS lower than any other tank when you dont use Greater Blessings, which is a discovery that happened after I made the post you are referring to.

I dont see your point here really. Unless you have been specifically talking about GBoK prior to its discovery you simply got lucky when you said Paladins do better single target TPS than other tanks. And you really dont get bonus points for guessing correctly. And shouldnt you be leveling to 60 rather than bicker on forums? :)

Anyway, a small update on what I have been up to lately:

Tanked a full MC run as Protection. Video coming shortly, but I think its safe to say that I have actually done it now Duki :)



Also succesfully tanked Onyxia.

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GBoK prior to its discovery you simply got lucky when you said Paladins do better single target TPS than other tanks.
I never referred only BoK or any other Blessings.

Judgement of Wisdom , Seal of Wisdom too , they do scale with RF .

So congratulation for successfully tanking easy boss like Onyxia , where you could do it easy even without spamming Blessings and instead keeping up Judge of Wisdom on him during P2 which brings you threat all the time.

Such Tactic has been used since 2005 even when ppl had no idea about Blessings generating such big amount of threat.

But yeah , like you never got any threat info about JoW , still you claim that Paladins do lesser threat than Warriors as Tank , while Warriors have to use all the DPS Gear in order to keep that threat .

Now think in a way of Paladins using Plate gear with Spell Dmg to keep that threat as Warriors do ?

Yeah that would be pure RNG on threat. But you keep ignoring it.
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Unless you have been specifically talking about GBoK prior to its discovery you simply got lucky when you said Paladins do better single target TPS than other tanks.
On top of that , just FYI i knew that Buffs DO generate threat since 2005/6. But they never did any threat in Pservers.

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic ... ent-238173
. Most buff spells cast on friendly players generate a small amount of threat.
For normal abilities, each point of Mana is 0.5 threat,
These forms of buffs all have infinite range; they will cause threat to all mobs on whose threat list you are on. Furthermore, the threat caused is split equally among all the affected mobs. If you are on one mobs threat list
And as for Warriors i always knew they were overpowered in their favor in Pservers, while here in Classic they are shit.
Quoting one of the reasons why :
Note that threat caused from Power Gain is not affected by threat modifiers. Gaining 1 point of Rage will give 5 threat whether you are in Battle Stance or Defensive Stance.
They were affected by threat modifiers in pservers !

Just read Kenco Guide where i posted it not only in Elysium ,but also i had posted it on Nostalrius far earlier that you would known.

It directly explained that, mentioning Battle Shout as an example where it work as "Buff" which include ALL Buffs , not only Class Specific Buff.
Only thing i didn't expect was RF increasing the threat by the Buff.

So philosophy about Paladins being strongest threat was not because of RF Discovery , was because i knew all along how it did work since 2005/6!
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Tanked a full MC run as Protection. Video coming shortly, but I think its safe to say that I have actually done it now Duki :)
I do expect Main Tanking , not some junk Offtank tanking Trash mobs.

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Its painfully obvious you will just keep moving the goalpost no matter what I do or show you, so I dont really have anything to prove to you. I have done the content right now as Prot which is more than you can claim, so lets just leave it at that.

I do expect Main Tanking , not some junk Offtank tanking Trash mobs.
I mean you saw the screenshots above right. I have yet to see a single case where something was presented as evidence and you did not just ignore it as if it did not exists. Its kinda odd :)

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