Savory Deviate Delights of course!

HaxO wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Savory Deviate Delights of course!

Good luck finding/buying the recipe! That thing was fucking RARE in vanilla.

As a Priest on 60 I need to fish until I have safe off-gear :p

Relik wrote: ↑

6 years ago

Warlocks and Paladins aside (you lucky bunch), how do you plan on getting your epic mount?

Personally, I'll probably just be farming Tyr's Hand like a zombie.

The regular epic mount is actually superior to the Lock Mount as the latter is a spell cast.

My Undead Warlock back in vanilla preferred his black pvp wolf over the Dreadsteed..

I have always wanted to be good at flipping items on the AH and make easy money that way, but I've never had the endurance to keep it up long term. That is one of the things I look forward to being better at in Classic.
Hopefully all the knowledge learned from playing private servers for years will bear fruit in knowing what items that will be expensive later on during classic and which materials to buy in bulk early and save for later.

On top of that I plan to level a mage on a second account when I reach 60 with my Paladin to use as a gold farming alt.

Dancing on mailboxes.

I have never had patience with flipping AH. I usually want to spend as little time at the AH as possible, it bores me to death.

I'll most likely just be afk-farmin Mara until DM is out and then I'll afk-farm that.

I was thinking about rushing a hunter and farming mara, but now I wonder if the "slow-responding pet" thing kills that farm for a hunter without good gear. Specifically pulling the pet out of the cloud on Princess-- if the sluggish pet makes that unreliable, I feel like the kite method AND suiciding after every run might slow it down too much (not bothering with the weird group setup workaround every time).

My other plan was pickpocket with a rogue, but we don't know if that will work. RFD was for sure worthless on the beta, but I'm hoping BRD will be good.
Talking about the first month here-- once people have gold there are lots of ways to get it, but I'm wanting to stack a bit of currency early.

Meanderthal wrote: ↑

5 years ago

I was thinking about rushing a hunter and farming mara, but now I wonder if the "slow-responding pet" thing kills that farm for a hunter without good gear. Specifically pulling the pet out of the cloud on Princess-- if the sluggish pet makes that unreliable, I feel like the kite method AND suiciding after every run might slow it down too much (not bothering with the weird group setup workaround every time).

My other plan was pickpocket with a rogue, but we don't know if that will work. RFD was for sure worthless on the beta, but I'm hoping BRD will be good.
Talking about the first month here-- once people have gold there are lots of ways to get it, but I'm wanting to stack a bit of currency early.

Poor pet control will affect every aspect of playing hunter at a high level. While leveling a character to farm gold seems like a good idea, it often isnt worth the effort. Consider the time spent leveling that toon and contrast that against the time you could have been grinding gold (sub-optimally) on your main or finding a different avenue to earn some gold. If you do plan on grinding an alt for the sole purpose of generating gold, consider making a few level 35 alts and maxing their proffs and simply selling their profession cooldowns. Its a FAR shorter time investment and provides a source of passive income that really adds up over the course of your time.

^^sure, but I think there are a few other considerations.

1. talking early gold here, so there aren't other avenues I'm aware of-- first couple weeks, gold mostly comes from mobs quests and vendors. A 35 alt CAN be an exception to this because people want for example early arcanite xmutes and will pay a premium, but... for just the xmute maybe 20g first week 10g for 2 or 3 weeks after, it's not much and it's not quick. Especially because you need to get the herbs + buy training and the xmute recipe so there's time and gold involved beyond leveling to 35. Like you said, it's a long term thing.

2. I really enjoy having a hunter to play. If it isn't bugged. Doesn't need to be a main, pvp is fun without serious gear and can possibly get some T1 + the bow without too much trouble, DM loot either way in phase 2 and AV xbow phase 3. So to me the leveling time isn't wasted, it's a thing of "if i'll do it eventually anyway, there are advantages to doing it first."

3. DM tribute in phase 2 is a lot of gold per hour, if it's possible (if it's NOT possible there's going to be controversy, because it was possible in vanilla). It's also more reliable on a pvp server than open world farm. So, like with lvl 35 crafting cooldown alts, over (a long) time it does pay for itself even if you don't value having the character. Can also be nice to have a variety of farm options ofc.

having said all that, right now I'm planning on not leveling a hunter for several reasons. One of them is the bugs, pet delay sounds horrible and apparently it's been unfixed on retail for a long time, I don't think they can fix the feign death delay either with current spell batching. I'd agree with your advice though-- consider exactly what benefit you get from leveling any gold-making alt, and maybe reconsider if you don't want to play it beyond gold-making. For example, you can always park the lvl 35 craft cd alt at 39 for the battlegrounds if you don't mind missing engi :)

1. I would agree that leveling alts is long term. But those level 35 alts will begin generating revenue quicker than your level 60 alt will. They will continue to provide value throughout the entire duration of vanilla.

2. this is less of a gold alt for you then and more of an alt. That is very different.

3. Lets say you level that hunter in 6 days played. You are already at a 144 hour deficit. It will take a very, very long time for that character to pay off. Hundreds of hours before you break even on your time investment, even if DM farming is possible.

I'm also planning on avoiding hunter for the time being for those same issues.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

3. Lets say you level that hunter in 6 days played. You are already at a 144 hour deficit. It will take a very, very long time for that character to pay off. Hundreds of hours before you break even on your time investment, even if DM farming is possible.

the time it takes to pay off depends on the difference between the gold per hour of the main and the alt. Quick napkin math says well under 100 hours best case scenario, which surprises me.

Meanderthal wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

3. Lets say you level that hunter in 6 days played. You are already at a 144 hour deficit. It will take a very, very long time for that character to pay off. Hundreds of hours before you break even on your time investment, even if DM farming is possible.

the time it takes to pay off depends on the difference between the gold per hour of the main and the alt. Quick napkin math says well under 100 hours best case scenario, which surprises me.

Hahaha. I'd like to see that math. Break it down for me.

What is your main, and what do you think your average gph(gold per hour) farming will be on your main?

^^ I don't want to sidetrack the thread... but this IS a thread about gold farming, so here goes:

assume 50g per hour difference. Like I said, assuming best case scenario for the alt. 30gph main, 80gph hunter doing DM trib, any respec costs for the main are are baked in. I've seen arguments about Trib income, 80gph is on the low end of claims from the farmers but who knows.

So, you gave 144 hours as the leveling time for the hunter, fair enough.

144 hours of main farming x 30g is 4,320 gold
86.4 hours of main farming x 30g is 2,592 gold
so a total of 6,912 gold

144 hours of hunter leveling 0g
86.4 hours of hunter farming x 80g is 6,912 gold

I double checked the math because 86.4 seemed so low, but there it is. Question is what gear a hunter needs for Trib farm and what time that takes to get, but on the other hand leveling to 60 probably ends with more than 0g and 230 hours of farming on a main could involve quite a few respecs.

Farming Dire maul.

a BoE world epic weapon dropped for me once and I sold it almost double from what World chat claimed it was worth.
about 300-400g I think. :)
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=2244/krol-blade

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

What is your main, and what do you think your average gph(gold per hour) farming will be on your main?

-resto druid horde

-either rogue or fury warrior ally


if herb prices are anything like pservers (likely i think because of rankers) gph should be well over 30 on the druid gathering herbs, depends on lots of stuff tho. Could be very high, could be low. Not really worried about it.

melee depends on how BRD pickpocket + dark iron farm looks. Open world farm gph could be really high if good spots are uncontested, but we don't know drop rates for anything yet. I hope to do better than jump runs. This where I need the gold if I play the warrior beyond 5mans-- edgemasters lionheart etc.

In the past I usually goblin the AH and a few other things for gold, but most of that isn't reliable. GPH is sky high when it works ofc.

I think dm trib will not be possible as solo hunter. It was fixed pre 1.12. We will see tho.

Meanderthal wrote: ↑

5 years ago

144 hours of main farming x 30g is 4,320 gold
86.4 hours of main farming x 30g is 2,592 gold
so a total of 6,912 gold

144 hours of hunter leveling 0g
86.4 hours of hunter farming x 80g is 6,912 gold

Aaaaa... I see. You wont be consistenlty getting 80 gph as a hunter in the open world.

As a resto druid you have other methods of making gold including DME jump runs with for arcane crystals / selling satyrs bow / class books. Due to the significant nerf in dungeon difficulty, this should be a viable farming option early on (when DM releases).

You have many many many options besides picking herbs as a resto druid.

So you used the very base amount of gold you can get while farming herbs. I would say a reasonable estimate would be 30-50 gph. Various phases will see this rise and fall, but as a stealth class you have a prime opportunity to farm Bloodvine when ZG release if you can get your hands on an early blood scythe and make an absurd amount of gold. So overall I would average this significantly higher. You then used a relatively high estimate for your hunter. As someone who has done mara and DM trib runs on pservers and sold the trib chest, youre looking at a figure closer to 50-75gph. You WILL have times where you make 100gph as a hunter (or more). Often times hunters will exaggerate their numbers based on selling tarnished / blackstone rings. Sometimes you have a list of buyers and other times you do not because the market is oversaturated. The value of these items starts high and drops off very fast as people get their pre BiS. If you are leveling your hunter after your main, this window may have already closed. As for BRD pickpocketing, that is a huge maybe. These methods may work... But there is a massive investment of time before you see any return. I would still rate this as ineffective justification to level an alt. These methods are valuable for people who are using their mains.

The comparison here would be closer to 45-55 gph potential on your druid (averaging throughout the course of vanilla) VS an average of 50-75 gph potential on a hunter using a method that may or may not be viable.

...was "best case scenario" unclear? Double or triple the time to pay off if you find those gp/h numbers a more realistic best case, I don't see how it changes anything in the end. "It takes a long time to pay off in terms of gp/h" is going to be the takeaway regardless, yeah?

- the rogue is a main or main alt (semantics). I would never suggest someone level a rogue to 60 as a farm alt (lol). At least not for efficiency reasons. Around phase 3 I will very likely level a paladin alt to AoE farm and PVP heal, which is a ridiculously bad idea in terms of gp/h efficiency but a great idea for me because I find the whole process fun. I also like pickpocket runs, and will probably do one in BRD occasionally even if the gold is terrible.

-like I said, for me the purpose of rushing a hunter would've been to reliably stack around 400-600 gold asap. For anything past about 2 weeks there should be many better options. What the best option is at any given time depends on a lot of things we don't know yet. I'm usually more interested in fun and RP immersion than flat efficiency either way. Otherwise I'd just go all out goblin-ing the AH.

Meanderthal wrote: ↑

5 years ago

for me the purpose of rushing a hunter would've been to reliably stack around 400-600 gold asap.

By your estimate that method wont pay off until around 6,912g, even with estimates that are quite a bit off, and very forgiving to your own theory. If you are only stacking 400-600g quickly, it definitely wont be worth the trouble.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

If you are only stacking 400-600g quickly, it definitely wont be worth the trouble.

I appreciate your apparent concern for my well-being, and you've said quite a few things that are important info for anyone reading who doesn't know them already. If hunters were unbugged, I'd roll one to have fun playing it and the long-term opportunity cost of farming on a main instead is completely meaningless to me-- chance for early farm is a side benefit. Like I said, I goblin the AH sometimes. Use your imagination as to why someone might find a very early gold pile "worth it."

Not personally very interested in the gp/h vs opportunity cost of rolling a pure farming alt, since I don't roll alts for that reason-- I only mentioned "it pays for itself eventually" as a side note. By all means double or triple the 86 hours break-even point if you find that more realistic. My apologies for doing "rough napkin math" about a "best-case scenario" that involved estimates you find quite a bit off AND very forgiving to my own theory. Horrors!

I am interested to hear that you hunter-farmed trib tho. Pserver exclusively, or retail vanilla? And discussions about ways to farm gold ofc, that's why I'm in the topic. Btw I think it's possible herb farm is the best druid gp/h option is phase 2 on a pvp server-- depends how many squads of rankers there are, how many of them stop to pick flowers, and how efficiently they kill my farming competition... and on what the DM lashers are dropping etc. Also remains to be seen what open-world farm is like compared to pservers.

Meanderthal wrote: ↑

5 years ago

I am interested to hear that you hunter-farmed trib tho. Pserver exclusively, or retail vanilla?

Pserver exclusively before it was broken on most of the modern Blizz-like pservers. I mained a priest in retail vanilla.

Have also 2 manned DM jump runs with healers who can make similar quantities of gold without rerolling an alt and while still playing their main as a healing spec. If the end goal is to farm DM runs... Why make a hunter to farm DM trib when a healer can farm DM jump runs?

Gonna sling rocks........ and ore....... and maybe some bars. :D

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Why make a hunter to farm DM trib when a healer can farm DM jump runs?

in my case, because I like to play a hunter sometimes. I personally would never make a hunter (or anything else) to farm trib (or anything else, including prof cds).

a few questions about this tho-- do we have proof 2man jump runs were possible in vanilla? Do you think they'll be possible in classic? How much does the lack of /camp hurt? Does the profit depend on the AH price of shards and arcanite crystals mostly, assuming you aren't running a customer for gear? Is the gold reliably better than solo lasher farm, or does that depend on lasher drop tables?