PuzzlesGaming22 wrote: ↑

5 years ago

@Knoll, as an avid player since the original Vanilla, I have seen the good and bad. Blizzard does care about its fan base and does take into account compared to other MMORPGS on PC. Everyone has opinions but you shouldnt knock people for liking expansions. That's saying hey you like Destiny but dont get expansions because they suck. I agree some aspects of each expansion are were bad but a lot of good came from them too. I've meet a lot of people online and even met several in RL. I've chatted with my friends about how cool it would be if Blizzard relaunched Wow Vanilla v.2. Once they did, I was worried about all the updates of every day almost for like 30+ of server maintenance. I get the queues but they are handling that with more servers.

Look, I got into WoW due to Warcraft games especially 3. I dreamed of the day I could be like Illidan and got my wish. I dreamed of different dungeons and raids of which especially in TBC was phenomenal. I wanted to have my own Stronghold as well as Shipyard. Yes, I know it killed the economy a bit, but for someone who started WoW at 20 years old and was in the Navy stationed in Japan, my friends back home and new friends I met online kept in touch.

Honestly, I don't tell people off but you had some good points but also some crappy ones.

1. Vanilla or any MMORPG is going to be grindy. If you dont want that , then play Fort Nite or Candy Crush.

2. TBC had great lore as well as dungeons and such, you're crazy for thinking not so.

3. If you dont like it, stop blasting it and others for likening or even loving this concept of them bringing back classics of when they had a lot of balances on a certain version.

4. If you're so against WoW then get the F off and go annoy a bunch of other players
in that game in particular.

5. Thank you and have a great day.

Puzzles aka Elinkz,
U.S. Navy Veteran

The truth hurts sometimes.

PuzzlesGaming22 wrote: ↑

5 years ago

If you're so against WoW then get the F off and go annoy a bunch of other players
in that game in particular.

Thankfully Gnoll has a 7 day ban for being incessantly annoying about the same topics over and over. The dude needs a break and reality check. Unfortunately I think he will be using these 7 days to formulate the next thread about why expansions suck, but how his ridiculous ideas for classic+ will work much better.

When you find out he has been banned from the WoW forums 20 times and buys Diablo battlechests to make more accounts to circumvent that, you know he has some serious and unresolved issues.

Selexin wrote: ↑

5 years ago

PuzzlesGaming22 wrote: ↑

5 years ago

If you're so against WoW then get the F off and go annoy a bunch of other players
in that game in particular.

Thankfully Gnoll has a 7 day ban for being incessantly annoying about the same topics over and over. The dude needs a break and reality check. Unfortunately I think he will be using these 7 days to formulate the next thread about why expansions suck, but how his ridiculous ideas for classic+ will work much better.

When you find out he has been banned from the WoW forums 20 times and buys Diablo battlechests to make more accounts to circumvent that, you know he has some serious and unresolved issues.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I fucking love you @Selexin . We have 7 days to compose ourselves and take a mental break before he attacks. Prepare yourselves.

I'm actually shocked with how lenient moderation has been with some of these guys. Duki, Monarch and Gnoll have had free reign to go full blown retard for months on end. Significantly decreased overall post quality.

"The reign of the Gnoll" could actually make a good title for a fantasy book :D

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

I'm actually shocked with how lenient moderation has been with some of these guys. Duki, Monarch and Gnoll have had free reign to go full blown retard for months on end. Significantly decreased overall post quality.

People should have free reign to express their opinions, however unpopular they may be. That's what forums are for: discussion. Gnoll wasn't banned because he was annoying or had low 'post quality' but because he couldn't keep his ideas to one location and kept on making new threads which he was warned about.

teebling wrote: ↑

5 years ago

People should have free reign to express their opinions, however unpopular they may be. That's what forums are for: discussion. Gnoll wasn't banned because he was annoying or had low 'post quality' but because he couldn't keep his ideas to one location and kept on making new threads which he was warned about.

The same logic could be applied to Dukis posts that spam the same videos repeatedly... Over and over and over... The same logic could/should be applied to Monarchs posts, he often creates several new threads within a 5 min time span, all of which are spammy, none of which are quality. Though they each post terribly in their own way, it is all the same in the end in my eyes. Just my 2 cents.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

teebling wrote: ↑

5 years ago

People should have free reign to express their opinions, however unpopular they may be. That's what forums are for: discussion. Gnoll wasn't banned because he was annoying or had low 'post quality' but because he couldn't keep his ideas to one location and kept on making new threads which he was warned about.

The same logic could be applied to Dukis posts that spam the same videos repeatedly... Over and over and over... The same logic could/should be applied to Monarchs posts, he often creates several new threads within a 5 min time span, all of which are spammy, none of which are quality. Though they each post terribly in their own way, it is all the same in the end in my eyes. Just my 2 cents.

What logic? I didn’t say shit about logic, stop with the strawman argument lmao. I didn’t say anything about duki, and he has always asked me about creating new threads and actually been okay to deal with - do not strawman him into this just because you don’t agree with him.

I didn’t say anything about BM either, again, strawmanned in by you. BM makes topics which are usually varied in subject and thought provoking. Just because you disagree with him and have an opinion about his posts doesn’t mean he should be banned.

This is why people like you should never be mods, because you would just ban everyone you dislike in the belief that you’re making the place better somehow by removing unwanted voices.

Love the transparancy you display here @teebling; keep it up.

teebling wrote: ↑

5 years ago

What logic? I didn’t say shit about logic, stop with the strawman argument lmao. I didn’t say anything about duki, and he has always asked me about creating new threads and actually been okay to deal with - do not strawman him into this just because you don’t agree with him.

I think these people are the same. I think Duki spamming the same videos, 20 times on a thread and derailing valuable conversations is just as disruptive as repeating the same topics like Gnoll. These actions are similar / the same. Monarch creates mutliple threads in short succession and spams the site with useless, low effort posts. Yet Gnoll was banned for 7 days for posting the same repetitive garbage. All 3 of these posting behaviors have the same outcome... Repetitive, spammy, low quality trash that reduces the overall quality of the forum. This is not a strawman, this is drawing attention to the fact that moderation is not administered in the same way consistently. This is also drawing attention to the fact that these three users have very similar behaviors.

For example, often times threads or posts are ghost removed. We have seen numerous instances of this in the past... Some of the more problematic members post bannable content, yet their posts are deleted and nothing is said, only for them to continue posting useless garbage immediately after. Most notably user Rayaleith posted numerous bannable posts and those were stealth removed, removing other posts attached and nothing was said. I just find severe inconsistencies with moderation on the site.

I agree with your decision to ban Gnoll. But if this is your stance, the same logic should be applied to the other two to maintain consistency. I'm not bringing up Duki or Monarch to distract from the topic, nor am I introducing these two in an effort to "win" a debate. I find it silly that one person gets banned for 7 days for behaving in a socially retarded manner, while the other two do not. I dont like Gnoll. I am glad he is out of our hair for 7 days, but why doesnt this same moderation get applied to the other two? They are the same.

teebling wrote: ↑

5 years ago

This is why people like you should never be mods, because you would just ban everyone you dislike in the belief that you’re making the place better somehow by removing unwanted voices.

I have never asked for moderation, nor would I have accepted it if offered. We have had previous chats about your application of moderation on the site, and our values do not align, therefore we would have a lot of tension if we were to moderate together.

This topic has gone severely off-topic.

Let's all just drop it and move on.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

I agree with your decision to ban Gnoll. But if this is your stance, the same logic should be applied to the other two to maintain consistency.

My decision to ban Gnoll was because he was instructed not to create threads about the same thing. It has nothing to do with what I think about the thread contents. It is because he was making multiple threads about the same thing. Not because of the things he said inside the topics. Maybe a third repetition will help drive this into your thick skull:

Gnoll was banned because he made multiple threads about the same subject.

Gnoll was not banned because of the content of his threads, or my opinion of them.

I'll make it bigger, maybe that will help?

Gnoll was banned because he made multiple threads about the same subject.

Gnoll was not banned because of the content of his threads, or my opinion of them.

I really think you have a big problem here which you need to address if you want to have actual debates with people in the future - I've mentioned it a few times before but maybe you never bothered to learn about it, so here is a definition from the dictionary which will set you up:

noun: strawman
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

You are misrepresenting me by saying that I should 'apply the same logic' (not my logic by the way, your logic which you purport to me having). You refer to this logic as if I agree with what you say. I don't agree with what you say. This is called 'attacking the straw man' - which is basically making up something and attacking that whilst addressing someone instead of actually disagreeing with them about the point in question.

To summarise for you - Gnoll was banned because he was warned about posting multiple threads having the same contents. Do you disagree with this? Or are you just angry at other forum members and want to use this as an outlet for your subjective opinions about them? This has nothing to do with your opinions on them because you are not a moderator and therefore not in a position to tell people what they should and shouldn't post. If you think they post crap then just deal with it, it's not my problem. I'm here to keep the forum clean and organised, I am NOT here to divert discussion in one way or another.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

I'm actually shocked with how lenient moderation has been with some of these guys. Duki, Monarch and Gnoll have had free reign to go full blown retard for months on end. Significantly decreased overall post quality.

The only people I've seen go "full retard" on this forum have been you, nochanges2, and JustBe.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Duki spamming the same videos, 20 times on a thread and derailing valuable conversations is just as disruptive as repeating the same topics like Gnoll. These actions are similar / the same. Monarch creates mutliple threads in short succession and spams the site with useless, low effort posts.

The only "useless, low-effort posts" that I've seen on this forum have been from you, nochanges2, and JustBe.

Stfuppercut wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Yet Gnoll was banned for 7 days for posting the same repetitive garbage. All 3 of these posting behaviors have the same outcome... Repetitive, spammy, low quality trash that reduces the overall quality of the forum.

The only people here posting "Repetitive, spammy, low quality trash" are you, nochanges2, and JustBe.

teebling wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Maybe a third repetition will help drive this into your thick skull:... I'll make it bigger, maybe that will help?

Eventually you'll just have to accept that Uppercut has reading comprehension issues and cannot be reasoned with.