It's a strictly cosmetic feature that doesn't affect other players. I have no objection to it, though I'd stick with the old school models myself.

Me like this idea.

We are assuming there are no technical implications to this. While it's a fun idea and I understand the call for it, I don't think it will happen.

I'm not extremely knowledgable about WoW's game engine, but here are just a couple of technical dependencies I can imagine:

• New Character and NPC models also mean new models for other resources like totems.. playing your "new" shaman with old totems is weird, right? Are there even models for all the old totems? I played a shaman for a little while in BfA and noticed how much from their original kit was removed.
• New models mean new textures, shadows & lights, not a big deal, but maybe the engine simply doesn't support defining alternative sources. So unless you use high quality (dynamic) lights and shadows, you could end up with a new character model throwing the shadow of an old character model and lights from particles could lead to weird stuff on the model texture. I don't think Blizzard would be willing to tamper with the engine to make this happen. :shrug:
• New models mean new animations, which means you need to remap animations. Whilst this could be totally easy in most cases, what about cases in which there is no intended animation for new models? Maybe the old animations and the new are totally incompatible.. Let's say both character models are rigged (I would imagine the new models are, but the old might not), but rigged differently (obviously) and you try to put an old animation on that. It's weird, if at all possible.
• Here's one for the PvP'ers: New models probably mean new hitboxes. Not sure how this handles in the engine so I don't even want to assume it's possible to use old hitboxes with new models.

Rinkusan wrote: ↑

5 years ago

New models mean new animations, which means you need to remap animations. Whilst this could be totally easy in most cases, what about cases in which there is no intended animation for new models? Maybe the old animations and the new are totally incompatible.. Let's say both character models are rigged (I would imagine the new models are, but the old might not), but rigged differently (obviously) and you try to put an old animation on that. It's weird.

Grindhouse wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Is it to late to update the graphics?





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After spending a good chunk of time on the stress test this weekend - holy shit, the graphics already pretty much are in 'WoW Classic Remastered' territory. Yeah we still have the old models and textures, but the modern game engine brings so many graphical improvements that it's like a brand new game. The shadows, water, view distance, anti-aliasing... everything adds up in little ways. I spent half the time this weekend gawking at how good everything looked in spite of all the old textures and low polygon models.

Yeah, I much prefer my gnome with the new character models. But Classic as a whole already is so far improved from what I'm used to from private servers and it's pretty impressive what they've done.

Pippina wrote: ↑

5 years ago

holy shit, the graphics already pretty much are in 'WoW Classic Remastered' territory

Rinkusan wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Pippina wrote: ↑

5 years ago

holy shit, the graphics already pretty much are in 'WoW Classic Remastered' territory

In order to go to "true" Classic graphics, they added a button on the bottom left of the graphics options interface. It will set your graphics preset to 3 and look pretty much like Vanilla looked.

I literally have zero clue why anyone would vote to prohibit the new models as an option.

For me, I'd toggle it depending on what race I'm playing. I've historically played trolls, so I'd 100% keep the old models. But if I played, say, undead or dwarf, then 100% the WoD models.

They should honestly just have the best of both worlds in the game. If people want the new models then they should be able to, it literally doesn't affect anyone in any way possible. Animations and effects are arguable, but as far as regular models go, it shouldn't be a problem.

I remember seeing the #nochanges bandwagoners crying about the idea of having both new and old models as a toggleable option, but having slightly better graphics and a Classic graphic option is perfectly fine with them. Blows my mind.

My position has always been: when it comes to the basic rules and data governing the behavior of the game world and all the objects within it, there should be no changes. But when it comes to cosmetic, interface, or strictly server-side improvements, up to and including the ability to add collectibles to your bnet account by acquiring them on Classic realms, anything is fair game.

Nenski wrote: ↑

5 years ago

I set my foreground fps to 8 frames, dropped the graphics bar as low as it can go; then whenever I go in a major city I stop moving every 6-8 seconds for a few moments to simulate my computer freezing.










The true 2004 vanilla experience.

No joke, the first computer I played WoW was a Best Buy prebuilt with a 266Hz processor. I bought it a few years earlier because I needed to upgrade to a computer that would run Red Alert 2. When wow came out I'd get a better frame rate if I'd stare at the ground while running, so I never even saw Classic at it's full settings back then. I'll probably start with the Classic setting and then see if I feel like turning it up.

I agree that toggle option for old and new models would be nice. When it comes to technical options like this, I feel like more player choice is always better than less.

I dislike most of the new models, but I'm in favor of having the option to toggle it. It might be kinda funky looking with old armor.

I'd only ever consider using it if you had to toggle between the classic graphics for the whole game or updated hd graphics for the whole game, like all the armor and mobs and everything. But since this is pretty likely not going to happen, because even in BFA I think gnolls/kobolds are still the old ugly models, I'm comfortable keeping it to toggle, as I'd only ever use the WoD models for a couple races.

I would like the option to enable updated models from retail, it will definitely clash horribly with the old models and textures but I am fine with it and it would not affect the experience of other players.

Jon Bloodspray wrote: ↑

5 years ago

No joke, the first computer I played WoW was a Best Buy prebuilt with a 266Hz processor. I bought it a few years earlier because I needed to upgrade to a computer that would run Red Alert 2.

Black Monarch wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Red Alert 2 was released in October 2000. By that time, both AMD and Intel had passed the 1 ghz milestone. Where in the hell would you pick up a 266 mhz part in October of 2000? A history museum?

One issue is that I feel it would look really out of place, since all the mobs would still have the old models too.

Honestly, I feel that Classic WoW is somewhat of a preservation of how the game was in 2005, almost a museum piece, and I wouldn't want any changes to that for better or for worse.

Hazen wrote: ↑

5 years ago

One issue is that I feel it would look really out of place, since all the mobs would still have the old models too.

Honestly, I feel that Classic WoW is somewhat of a preservation of how the game was in 2005, almost a museum piece, and I wouldn't want any changes to that for better or for worse.

Pippina wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Black Monarch wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Red Alert 2 was released in October 2000. By that time, both AMD and Intel had passed the 1 ghz milestone. Where in the hell would you pick up a 266 mhz part in October of 2000? A history museum?

The Pentium 2 was just exiting production in 1999...

Black Monarch wrote: ↑

5 years ago

Jon Bloodspray wrote: ↑

5 years ago

No joke, the first computer I played WoW was a Best Buy prebuilt with a 266Hz processor. I bought it a few years earlier because I needed to upgrade to a computer that would run Red Alert 2.

Red Alert 2 was released in October 2000. By that time, both AMD and Intel had passed the 1 ghz milestone. Where in the hell would you pick up a 266 mhz part in October of 2000? A history museum?

Oh, yes, a 266 mhz front-side bus makes WAAAY more sense lol

No.
You’re in my world now! *confused evil laughter*

Also realistically it wouldn’t be just aesthetics. It would probably be a very complex balancing act between animations, ability/spell timers, world interaction, who knows what else.

The more things you balance the bigger the risk of breaking everything.